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Mental Health Experts Warn That Trump Is In Decline

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Skwim, Aug 19, 2019.

  1. Skwim

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    "Some say that the president’s language and behavior suggest “cognitive slippage.”


    President Donald Trump’s recent confusion with words and facts, including about his own father, could be signs of pre-dementia and deteriorating cognitive skills, some mental health experts warn.

    “The ‘Tim Apple’ episode a few weeks ago, his calling Venezuela a company, and then yesterday, confusing his grandfather’s birthplace with his father’s, mispronouncing ‘oranges’ for ‘origins,’ and stating out of the blue, ‘I’m very normal,’” recited Bandy Lee, a professor of psychiatry at Yale University who has been waving red flags about Trump’s mental state for years. “There is no question he needs an examination.”

    “I think he’s suffering from pre-dementia. And it’s only getting worse,” said John Gartner, a clinical psychologist with practices in New York City and Baltimore.

    Both acknowledged that they have not given Trump a full examination and could not offer a definitive diagnosis, but Gartner noted that the president’s behaviors are on full view every single day. “The evidence is right in front of our eyes,” he said.

    Lee and Gartner are among the relatively few mental health professionals speaking out about Trump’s condition because of guidelines against speculating about patients a doctor has not personally examined. Both said those standards should not apply in situations where the safety of the nation is at stake and the president’s behavior is on public display.

    White House spokesman Hogan Gidley denied that Trump had any cognitive difficulties and said that those who actually work with Trump “see his total command of complex issues” on a daily basis. “These ‘doctors’ are disgusting, and they should be ashamed of themselves for trying to use their titles to push their own personal political views.”

    Speaking in the Oval Office Tuesday, Trump said that his father was “born in a very wonderful place in Germany.” In fact, his father was born in the Bronx. It was his paternal grandfather who emigrated from Germany. The president also said repeatedly that he wanted to take a look at the “oranges” of the special counsel investigation against him, when he clearly meant “origins.”

    Last month, Trump called Apple CEO Tim Cook “Tim Apple” ― but later claimed that he had, in fact, said “Tim Cook Apple,” but people missed “Cook” because he’d said it very rapidly, and finally claimed that he was trying to save time by skipping some words.

    “That was real cognitive slippage,” Gartner said. “And then he tried to cover for it.”

    The White House this year did not make available the doctor who performed Trump’s annual physical exam and released scant information about its results.

    In contrast, last year Trump authorized physician Ronny Jackson to field questions about his health for nearly a full hour. The president himself bragged about his performance on the Montreal Cognitive Assessment, a screening tool for Alzheimer’s disease that asks the patient, for instance, to identify a camel and to draw a clock.

    There aren’t a lot of people that can do that,” Trump said days later, boasting of his 30-out-of-30 score to a Republican National Committee audience.


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    That test, though, was never designed to be an in-depth analysis of cognitive function, Lee and other experts said. “Ronny Jackson declared his boss and commander-in-chief ‘fit for duty’ based on a 10-minute cognitive screen on which full-blown Alzheimer patients and hospitalized schizophrenia patients are known to score in the normal range,” she said.

    Lee edited a book of essays by mental health professionals warning Trump’s mental state is dangerous, and in 2017 met with Congress members who were exploring forming an expert panel to look into the issue.

    Large numbers of Americans who are not mental health professionals have also started to question Trump’s mental condition, including prominent critics like George Conway, the husband of top White House aide Kellyanne Conway. They’ve noted both the president’s actions and his televised speeches and public remarks, in which he is frequently incoherent and goes off on long, unrelated tangents.

    On Tuesday night, during his speech at the National Republican Congressional Committee spring dinner, Trump, who was then in the middle of 90 minutes of rambling remarks, veered off on a two-minute, 22-second detour that touched on how wind turbines kill bald eagles and other birds, moved on to how North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un was not ready for a deal, came back to how people who use wind power can’t watch television if the wind doesn’t blow, and finished with former President Barack Obama playing golf in Hawaii:

    “He has been growing less and less coherent,” Lee said, pointing to Trump’s appearance a month ago at the Conservative Political Action Conference, which Trump referenced on Tuesday night. “His two-hour CPAC speech revealed a lot of rambling sentences, tangential thought trails, word-finding difficulties and repetition.”

    On Twitter last month, George Conway wrote: “*All* Americans should be thinking seriously *now* about Trump’s mental condition and psychological state, including and especially the media, Congress ― and the vice president and Cabinet.”

    That exhortation followed up on a string of Conway tweets listing the symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition.

    Gartner, though, said Trump’s condition appears to be an even worse variant of that disorder and a condition that is common to dictators: malignant narcissism, whose traits include narcissism, paranoia, sociopathy ― exhibited by constant lying ― and sadism.

    “He has been getting worse in the last few months,” Gartner said, adding that he agrees with Conway that earlier interviews show how far Trump’s decline has progressed. In the past, Gartner said, “he not only spoke in complete sentences, he spoke in complete paragraphs.”

    Gartner pointed out that one of the symptoms of narcissism is repeated lying. “Donald Trump is the most documented liar in human history,” he said. “We observe his behavior every day.”
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    The fact that in reference to the test he aced, Trump actually boasts There aren’t a lot of people that can do that," should be warning enough of his disconnect with reality.


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  2. Saint Frankenstein

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    Yeah, there's signs of likely dementia or at least confusion there.
     
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  3. Enoch07

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    Lame and boring again.
     
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    Trump earlier today...
    Trump: I'm not ready to make a deal with China - YouTube
    <start at 7:00 mark>

    Didn't seem noticeably different here.
     
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    And this is news?
     
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    All this, and worse may be true. The frightening thing is that he's still in office.
     
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    Ever since Ronald Reagan the republicans have wanted puppet presidents; figure heads they could control from behind the scenes. They don't care about their mental acuity. In fact, they prefer dullards like "W" that they can more easily control.
     
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    Is that why the Reps went from strongly opposed to Trump to strongly aligned with him? I'm pretty sure if the Reps were controlling him they wouldn't have about faced to him, and he wouldn't have banned bump stocks.
     
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    They didn't take Trump seriously as his bid for the presidency was a 'stunt'. Once it became obvious that their "base" was gong to vote for him, they jumped on the bandwagon. But Trump is so irrational and self-centered that he's difficult for them to control. Though he's better than Hillary, which they would not be able to control at all.
     
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    So good on you..you're supporting Trump now.
     
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    They tried this before with "unhinged" pre election and for the first few years of his presidency, some even claimed he would start a nuclear war if someone twittered something he didn't like. They are rehashing old false narratives, they must be getting very desperate.
     
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    Well, the Hitler comparison never took root.
    The Russian puppet theory fizzled.
    The justice obstruction claims have evaporated.
    The Epstein connection failed to matter.
    Gotta move on, eh.
     
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    They still have racism to claim day in and day out but even that has worn more than a little thin to the point of making it mean little to nothing. Political and personal smears have been around since the beginning but it is surreal to see the extent of and blatant collusion in many mainstream news and entertainment venues.
     
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    Such deliberate denial. It is a shame.
     
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    Aye, the problem with straining to make everything "Racist!" is
    that it dilutes the charge. Now AOC has even accused Pelosi
    of it, although she denied it after doing it.
     
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    The democrat "hunger games" continue! AOC may be burning bridges she hasn't even crossed yet, she's going to need them n the coming years if she lasts that long.
     
  19. Revoltingest

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    I don't think she is as aware of the long term as she should be.
    There is bad aji in painting Pelosi as racist.

    ("Aji" is a go term for latent potential, either good or bad.
    In Japanese, it literally means "taste".)
     
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