Men Without Work

[Brickjectivity]

Did you know that 1 in every 8 men (not in prison) in USA have had a felony conviction?
Did you know that for every unemployed male aged 25-54, that there are 3 who have stopped looking? Therefore unemployment figures are missing 3/4 of the problem.
Did you know that since WWII male labor participation has steadily declined around the world, not because of recessions or because of demand problems or because of the introduction of women into the workforce but for some other reason? It is a decline that is linear and is not affected by recessions, depressions, lack of education?
Did you know marriage is what keeps most males looking instead of not looking?
Did you know that most males not looking for work spend most of their time on entertainment?

Its a long video about a short book.

Spoiler: Dr. Nicholas Eberstadt presentation about his new book

 

[Secret Chief]

tl;dw

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Did you know that 1 in every 8 men (not in prison) in USA have had a felony conviction?
Did you know that for every unemployed male aged 25-54, that there are 3 who have stopped looking? Therefore unemployment figures are missing 3/4 of the problem.
Did you know that since WWII male labor participation has steadily declined around the world, not because of recessions or because of demand problems or because of the introduction of women into the workforce but for some other reason? It is a decline that is linear and is not affected by recessions, depressions, lack of education?
Did you know marriage is what keeps most males looking instead of not looking?
Did you know that most males not looking for work spend most of their time on entertainment?

Its a long video about a short book.

Spoiler: Dr. Nicholas Eberstadt presentation about his new book

I just took another suicide prevention training, and while I don't remember the stats or have the ability to look them up right now, but the number of men who die by suicide versus women is sobering.

(Noting that women attempt suicide more, but men actually die from it more often, likely based on more lethal means and a lack of male emotional support for depression.)

 

[Stonetree]

Did you know that 1 in every 8 men (not in prison) in USA have had a felony conviction?
Did you know that for every unemployed male aged 25-54, that there are 3 who have stopped looking? Therefore unemployment figures are missing 3/4 of the problem.
Did you know that since WWII male labor participation has steadily declined around the world, not because of recessions or because of demand problems or because of the introduction of women into the workforce but for some other reason? It is a decline that is linear and is not affected by recessions, depressions, lack of education?
Did you know marriage is what keeps most males looking instead of not looking?
Did you know that most males not looking for work spend most of their time on entertainment?

Its a long video about a short book.

Spoiler: Dr. Nicholas Eberstadt presentation about his new book

Thank you for bringing this issue to the attention of the members of RF......This is a sad situation for any American to accept. I don't know how this trend can be turned around. There are complex multiple factors that contribute to this problem..I did take the time to watch the video...

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

I just took another suicide prevention training, and while I don't remember the stats or have the ability to look them up right now, but the number of men who die by suicide versus women is sobering.

(Noting that women attempt suicide more, but men actually die from it more often, likely based on more lethal means and a lack of male emotional support for depression.)

I also wonder how much the individual's intent is taken into account.
Some people attempt suicide with the intent of garnering attention and/or drama, whereas others do it with the actual intent of killing themselves.

 

[Audie]

Thank you for bringing this issue to the attention of the members of RF......This is a sad situation for any American to accept. I don't know how this trend can be turned around. There are complex multiple factors that contribute to this problem..I did take the time to watch the video...

Turn it around?

How about no work no eat.

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

Turn it around?

How about no work no eat.

More street gangs and mobsters?

 

[Revoltingest]

Did you know marriage is what keeps most males looking instead of not looking?

Mrs Revolt used to suggest I look for work.
She had no success.
Now she's accepted that I'm retired.
I still occasionally move machinery for pay.
(Don't tell the cops...they'd want me to
get a commercial license & DOT number
for Mr Van.)

BTW, I invest in a manner that keeps friends
more productive & profitable by lending money
for equipment, facilities, items to resell.
Everyone wins. Go capitalism!

 

[Wildswanderer]

Did you know that 1 in every 8 men (not in prison) in USA have had a felony conviction?
Did you know that for every unemployed male aged 25-54, that there are 3 who have stopped looking? Therefore unemployment figures are missing 3/4 of the problem.
Did you know that since WWII male labor participation has steadily declined around the world, not because of recessions or because of demand problems or because of the introduction of women into the workforce but for some other reason? It is a decline that is linear and is not affected by recessions, depressions, lack of education?
Did you know marriage is what keeps most males looking instead of not looking?
Did you know that most males not looking for work spend most of their time on entertainment?

Its a long video about a short book.

Spoiler: Dr. Nicholas Eberstadt presentation about his new book

Young American males are in crisis in America, and no wonder, their institutions have taught them that there's no such thing as absolute truth, that they are merely smart apes, television has taught them that they are dufass' good for nothing but beer drinking and sex.
Men need purpose in their lives.. to know that they're doing something that matters.
They need jobs that bring some sense of satisfaction.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

I am one of those men without work. I've already given up trying to create a "normal" life for myself. If you are going to label me as someone with a severe disability and put me on SSI, I'll take every advantage I can from it. I don't care anymore.

 

[Revoltingest]

Young American males are in crisis in America, and no wonder, their institutions have taught them that there's no such thing as absolute truth, that they are merely smart apes, television has taught them that they are dufass' good for nothing but beer drinking and sex.
Men need purpose in their lives.. to know that they're doing something that matters.
They need jobs that bring some sense of satisfaction.

If people who believe in "absolute truth" can't
even agree on what's true, what's so absolute
about it?
This evolved (barely) ape never needed truth
to be inspired to work. So your religion isn't
necessary.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am one of those men without work. I've already given up trying to create a "normal" life for myself. If you are going to label me as someone with a severe disability and put me on SSI, I'll take every advantage I can from it. I don't care anymore.

See post #6.
No one should be forced to take care of those
who just don't want to carry their own weight.

 

[PureX]

Did you know that 1 in every 8 men (not in prison) in USA have had a felony conviction?
Did you know that for every unemployed male aged 25-54, that there are 3 who have stopped looking? Therefore unemployment figures are missing 3/4 of the problem.
Did you know that since WWII male labor participation has steadily declined around the world, not because of recessions or because of demand problems or because of the introduction of women into the workforce but for some other reason? It is a decline that is linear and is not affected by recessions, depressions, lack of education?
Did you know marriage is what keeps most males looking instead of not looking?
Did you know that most males not looking for work spend most of their time on entertainment?

I have a couple of questions. One is how are they surviving if they are not 'working'? Humans everywhere have to work at something to survive. They have to procure the necessities of their survival in some way. So, if they are not participating in the global culture's current mechanisms for doing that, how are they doing it?

Then the next question of course is why are they doing it this way? And I'm sure there will be no one answer to that question. The list of reasons will likely be long and include all of the above, and then some.

And then finally, I have to ask if there is a better way? A way that would be more inclusive and more satisfactory to everyone involved?

 

[Audie]

More street gangs and mobsters?

What a completely weird response

 

[Debater Slayer]

See post #6.
No one should be forced to take care of those
who just don't want to carry their own weight.

There are many who are unable to carry their own weight for one reason or another, be it societal, medical, or economic.

I believe in looking into why they're not carrying their own weight instead of abandoning them altogether and, if necessary, helping them through social security. It solves nothing to let, say, a mentally disabled person become hungry or homeless just because they lack the ability to work.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Turn it around?

How about no work no eat.

What if someone is unable to work at all due to an issue like a disability?

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

See post #6.
No one should be forced to take care of those
who just don't want to carry their own weight.

Fortunately society now days isn't really like that.
If I weren't on disability I would be underemployed.
My medications cost thousands of dollars and would cost too much for be to buy with private insurance.
I'll take every goddamn government benefit I'm legally able to take.

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

What a completely weird response

What makes my response is completely weird?

 

[Stonetree]

I have a couple of questions. One is how are they surviving if they are not 'working'? Humans everywhere have to work at something to survive. They have to procure the necessities of their survival in some way. So, if they are not participating in the global culture's current mechanisms for doing that, how are they doing it?

Then the next question of course is why are they doing it this way? And I'm sure there will be no one answer to that question. The list of reasons will likely be long and include all of the above, and then some.

And then finally, I have to ask if there is a better way? A way that would be more inclusive and more satisfactory to everyone involved?

In the video there were references to 'Welfare' and family support. Eberstadt also mentioned many were on pain killers and perhaps they sell some of their medications. Otherwise I don't know how they survive....

 

[PureX]

In the video there were references to 'Welfare' and family support. Eberstadt also mentioned many were on pain killers and perhaps they sell some of their medications. Otherwise I don't know how they survive....

I matters a lot. Being a thief, for example, IS a job. Being a social welfare parasite IS a job. Being an addict hustling every day for the next high IS a job. As all of these methods of survival take persistent daily effort to make them viable. And of course none of this effort is ever going to show up on anyone's statistical questionairs or studies. Yet we need to know this if wish to effectively address these problems.