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Featured Memories Vs Experience of God

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SalixIncendium, Oct 18, 2021.

  1. rational experiences

    rational experiences Well-Known Member

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    If hu man's say God created me then science and machine only built and controlled by men for conversion reactions could not theory God.

    Otherwise life would be destroyed which is pretty basic.

    Science says no God.
    Science the same men once said God was....

    So did science as men of science learn should be our question?
    Numerous statements. Science.

    What is a hu man suppose to do.

    Men say adamantly God is a man or my father.

    Or multi gods male or female.

    Male owns a penis....scientific.
    Female owns a vagina ....scientific.

    Science discusses numerous bodies and own many subjects about human bodies. Men bodies women bodies or animal male or female bodies. Science.

    Yet we are always just a human.

    So to talk as a human I give a named situation stated by my human self to a man as a God and a father.

    And it is spirit. Thinking as a form of human science expression.

    What do you think you are talking about when you physically are affected by identified activated human aware feelings?

    Sometimes seen and sometimes not. As I have been finger poked in my side and it hurt. No one there.

    Now I could claim it was a memory that my own physical self previously had felt. And it recurred.

    So what would it be?

    A recording.

    As we live in and with water oxygen both bodies are also aside from us. With us but not owned. By our side yet also surrounding us.

    Pretty obvious you cannot talk about spirit unless it is using the same forms that human life does.

    Why we discuss spirit of God whilst already living as just a human.
     
  2. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member

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    Memories are real, the things and events depicted in them may not be because the human brain is far from perfect. I don't expect anyone to change how they live their lives on the basis of my memories though.

    It is possible to provide evidence supporting the existence of memories by detecting brain activity as they're stored and recalled. We're a long way away from fulling understanding exactly how they work but their existence and real physiological phenomena is undeniable.

    They are two entirely different concepts so I don't see why they'd even be comparable. It's like saying "How is my computer more real than Martians?"
     
  3. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Yeah, our view points are different. I made no such claim. I stated only my view. I said "For me, ..". You may check my post.
     
  4. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    So the world is what?
     
  5. John53

    John53 Well-Known Member

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    I have no idea what that means.
     
  6. John53

    John53 Well-Known Member

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    I'll take that as a no
     
  7. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    It means that we understand some aspects of the world differently and we can both get away with it.
     
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  8. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    Are you trying to say that God only exists in the mind, akin to a memory? Does God have no expected effects on the observable world?
     
  9. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    That depends on what God is assumed to be and what is assumed the observable world and if all of the world is the observable world.
     
  10. stvdv

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    You hit the jackpot

    Exactly this Atheists do asking Theists for proof
     
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  11. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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    Do you have objective evidence of your memory of leaving your jacked in the car instead of the closet?
     
  12. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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    I'm not saying anything. Just asking questions. ;)
     
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  13. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Ok...
     
  14. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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    I don't try to say anything. Either I say something or I don't.

    That said, I'm not saying anything. Just asking questions.
     
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    Fair enough.

    An absence of evidence is evidence of absence as long as the thing being looked for ought to produce evidence.

    If someone is claiming that belief in their god is justified, the justification will provide some indication of evidence that ought to be present if their god were real.
     
  16. RestlessSoul

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    In other words, others who have shared our experiences can reinforce our memories. Do you not consider that might equally be the case with spiritual experiences? That they can be collective, and shared?

    Of course, my partner and I might not be able to agree on what colour jumper God was wearing when he intervened in our lives. But that’s because everything becomes a little blurred with distance.
     
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    Predicated on paradox.

    Both illusory, and perfectly realised. A dream within a dream, in which nothing is fixed, nothing is constant, but everything is governed by an infinity of intricate and precise patterns and laws.

    Perhaps.
     
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  18. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    An illusion.
     
  19. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    In that case, there is nothing to check and no difference between truth or untruth.
     
  20. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    You took a nuanced answer as a 'no'. Got it.
     
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