I gotta ask.... were they actually getting better (by whatever standards you are using to define "worse") before that date??may said:..., but since 1914 it is worse still...
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
I gotta ask.... were they actually getting better (by whatever standards you are using to define "worse") before that date??may said:..., but since 1914 it is worse still...
i didnt say it was getting worse before 1914 , i said it got worse after , just as the bible said it would, any serious bible student will recognize the signs that the bible tells us about.do you recognize the sign?Aqualung said:So is that a no? Then how do you know it only started to get worse after 1914 if it were always getting worse?
true, and look what happened in 1914Aqualung said:Well, before WWI, it was pretty much one of the longest periods in history without any sort of large scale war...
nutshell said:We do live in the last days and things are getting worse, but I don't see any evidence to support the 1914 date.
the bible told us that (the appointed times of the nations) (or the Gentile times) ended in 1914 Jesus was made king of Gods heavenly kingdom at this time my post number 31 and 33 explain this . it was at this time that he who has the legal right took the thronenutshell said:We do live in the last days and things are getting worse, but I don't see any evidence to support the 1914 date.
i thought i didStewpidLoser said:may ~ why won't you answer my question?
getting better from what?even though we as humans had invented things and we had various things to perhaps make our lifes better we were still under the rulership of the devil we still had to suffer illness and inperfection and eventually death ,it is the same now but worse , as the bible informed us ,in these last days we are going though the foretold things that Jesus said we would, regardless of what it was like before 1914StewpidLoser said:I asked if the world was actually getting better before 1914.
your only answer has been that the world is getting worse since then.
move ahead , move ahead, 1914 fullfilled prophecy dont stay in the dark go to the light, keep awake ,dont fall asleep you may be caught off guard ,understanding is becoming clearer in these very last days i find it really thrilling to be living in these timesglasgowchick said:Hi May, the watchtower has predicted many other dates..
Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, 1925 ed., p. 604
The Watchtower Society has a long history of making prophecies and then changing them after they proved false. Dozens of references could be quoted and documented, but a few will suffice to prove the point.
For example, the 1920 booklet Millions Now Living Will Never Die, declares,
we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old.
pages 89-90
This failed to come true, of course.
Starting in the mid-1960s numerous discussions in the Societys publications pointed to the year 1975:
This seventh day, Gods rest day, has progressed nearly 6,000 years, and there is still the 1,000-year reign of Christ to go before its end. (Rev. 20:3, 7) This seventh 1,000-year period of human existence could well be likened to a great sabbath day. . . . In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of mans existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975.
Awake! October 8, 1966, page 19
The August 15, 1968 Watchtower indicates that there might be a slight delay between the end of humanitys first six thousand years in autumn 1975 and the end of the worldcorresponding to the interval of time between Adams creation and Evesbut assures that the delay will be only a few weeks or months, not years:
Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of mans existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovahs loving and timely purposes. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years."
page 499
Such predictions led Jehovahs Witnesses to believe that the end would come toward the end of 1975 or early in 1976.
When that date proved false, the organization began emphasizing "the Creators promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away," as noted abovea prophecy that it has now dropped.
Perhaps to allow future maneuvering room, the new teachings published so far leave end-times dating loose and indefinite. Jehovahs Witnesses appear to be entering a period like that after the world failed to end in 1914 and before 1925 was named as a new target date, or after later failures and before 1975 was named.
May these people cannot be trusted..
may said:getting better from what?even though we as humans had invented things and we had various things to perhaps make our lifes better we were still under the rulership of the devil we still had to suffer illness and inperfection and eventually death ,it is the same now but worse , as the bible informed us ,in these last days we are going though the foretold things that Jesus said we would, regardless of what it was like before 1914
Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom." (Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6;4)
There will be food shortages." (Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:5, 6, 8
"Pestilences." (Luke 21:11; Revelation 6:8)
Men will be . . . lovers of money." (2 Timothy 3:2)
"Disobedient to parents." (2 Timothy 3:2)
Fierce." (2 Timothy 3:3)
Having no natural affection." (2 Timothy 3:3)
Having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power." (2 Timothy 3:5)
Ruining the earth." (Revelation 11:18
This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth." (Matthew 24:14)
yes there was a litral fullfillment but there was also a greater fullfillment for our day .yes i do have a book of Josephus it speaks of the litral fullfillment .glasgowchick said:Hi May, I believe that Mattew 24 has already happened and happened with the destruction of Jerusalem..While others see it as a future event..Some see it as half and half as in the destruction of Jerusalem and the return of Christ. Have you read anything on Flavius Joseph, Jewish historian ? If you really enjoy studying check out some of his work..
may said:move ahead , move ahead, 1914 fullfilled prophecy dont stay in the dark go to the light, keep awake ,dont fall asleep you may be caught off guard ,understanding is becoming clearer in these very last days i find it really thrilling to be living in these times
may said:yes there was a litral fullfillment but there was also a greater fullfillment for our day .yes i do have a book of Josephus it speaks of the litral fullfillment .
1914 fullfilled prophecy JW predicted that this was a date of great importence and they were right no lies but the understanding becomes clearer.glasgowchick said:Hi May, its ok saying move ahead, But that doesn't answer anything, you are ignoring what the bible says about falsely predicting events..Its a simple yes or no answer that only you can honestly answer..are those false predictions stated above..never mind the new light, it can't and won't contradict old light. what was truth then must be truth now..yes we can grow spiritutally in our learning but those are down right lies... :tsk: