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no i dont think you did read my post , i will try to put it another way ,the watchtower magazine keeps watch on world events as these fulfill (BIBLE PROPHECY)It keeps on the watch, what is a litral watchtower for ,it is intended to keep a lookout for things , so they are not caught out,and miss the approaching signs, what would happen if the ones keeping watch fell asleep ,they would be caught off guard ,but sometimes because the light is not quite right , at that time ,it is not always correct , but as the light gets brighter and brighter it becomes clearer ,and they need to wait abit for a better view , or even turn around to a diffarent angle but its better to keep on the watch rather than fall asleep , because if they fall asleep they have no chance of spotting anything ,but if they keep awake they are not negleting their dutyfacetiousme said:Ok, I reread your post. Let me reword my question. Other than pointing people to the Bible, has the Watchtower ever made a prophecy that didn't come true?
i am glad you got the point about the lookout and not falling asleep, but also in the inside cover it says , It comforts all people with the Good news that Gods Kingdom will soon destroy those who opress their fellowmen and that it will turn the earth into a paradise , it also says that the mag encourages faith in Gods now-reigning King,Jesus Christ,whose shed blood opens the way for mankind to gain eternal life. yes this mag is announcing Jehovahs Kingdom and where do we find out about the kingdom ....in the bible, the bible is a book of prophecy , not the mag ,so your question has no point ,as its only the bible that is full of prophecies, and in these last days the light is getting brighter and brighter and the understanding about these prophecies is getting clearer and clearerfacetiousme said:Yes, I read and reread your post.
Point taken, they point people to the Bible, they are a "literal watchtower", they aren't falling asleep, etc.
Now, back to my question. Have they ever made a prophecy that didn't come true? Or have they made any prophecy at all? Are they pointing people to the Bible to find answers or do they provide the answers and point people to the Bible to find scripture to support it?
may said:Gods word the bible always comes true no matter what any man may say , as i have said earlier i think , the watchtower is a mag to point people to the bible it is not the bible , in fact in every issue in the front inside cover it explains just what the watchtower mag is, and what its purpose is. among other things its purpose is to keep watch on world events as these fulfill bible prophecy. the only words that are inspired are the original words of God THE BIBLE the watchtower mag encourages people to look to the bible and the bible tells us that Jesus would be using a Faithful slave class to feed others matthew 24;45-47 with spiritual food at the right time.
may said:the watchtower does not make prophecies the bible does ,did you not read my post.
Waitaminnit .... It's my understanding that He can be (and is), everywhere, in everything, all the time.... isn't that what omnipotence and omnipresence means? As a Believer, that's what I believe anyhowAqualung said:He will rule in heaven with his 144,000. he can't be both places at once.
we JW never fall asleep we always aim to keep awake , as far as i am concerned armaggedon could be tomorrow who knows only Jehovah... but i have to keep awake and not fall asleep , yes those early witnesses certainly did keep awake to the greatest witness work, that is why i am here now talking about the kingdom because they kept awake to the times that we live in , timely spiritual food indeed i would say yes it could have been months back then but we now know it is still timely foodfacetiousme said:I don't think anyone is arguing that BIBLICAL prophecies come true.
Let everyone now who really loves the Lord...make the few remaining months the greatest witness yet given or possible.
(The Watchtower 1941, July 15, p. 222)
Receiving the gift [the book Children], the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lords provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon.
(The Watchtower 1941 September 15, p. 288)
You seem to be avoiding what we are asking. Did the watchtower make prophecies that DID NOT come true? Even "outdated" ones are STILL prophecies.
Well, i don't beleive Jesus is, or can be, omnipresent. That's the Holy Ghost's job. But that's just me.StewpidLoser said:Waitaminnit .... It's my understanding that He can be (and is), everywhere, in everything, all the time.... isn't that what omnipotence and omnipresence means? As a Believer, that's what I believe anyhow
conditions on the earth have got worse since 1914 because that was the year that satan was cast out of the heavens onto the earth so since that date satan has intensified his influence on the earth . but not for much longer because when he is put out of the way Gods kingdom goverment can have full reign to rule the earthStewpidLoser said:I gotta ask.... were they actually getting better (by whatever standards you are using to define "worse") before that date??
He didn't ask why things were getting worse. He asked were they getting better before 1914.may said:conditions on the earth have got worse since 1914 because that was the year that satan was cast out of the heavens onto the earth so since that date satan has intensified his influence on the earth . but not for much longer because when he is put out of the way Gods kingdom goverment can have full reign to rule the earth
well before 1914 the bible students knew that 1914 was a very significant date, and it was true ,Jesus was made king of Gods kingdom in the heavens right on time in 1914Aqualung said:It didn't make prophesies. It incorrectly interpreted the Bible's prophecies.
As the bible tells us the whole world has always been in the power of the wicked one satan the devil ( 1 john 5;19) since the rebellion in Eden, but since 1914 it is worse still,Aqualung said:He didn't ask why things were getting worse. He asked were they getting better before 1914.
So is that a no? Then how do you know it only started to get worse after 1914 if it were always getting worse?may said:As the bible tells us the whole world has always been in the power of the wicked one satan the devil ( 1 john 5;19) since the rebellion in Eden, but since 1914 it is worse still,
We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one (1 John 5;19)