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Melchizedek as Angel

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by ToGodorNottoGod, Mar 7, 2021.

  1. ToGodorNottoGod

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    Melchizedek as Angel

    Michael we know was a high priest, or at least a priestly figure. The Shephard of Hermas in the Similitudes describes him as “he who holds authority over peoples and governs them… gives them the law, into the hearts of the believers.(1) This is Yahweh’s role we see Michael having. The Ascension of Isaiah describes how Michael the chief of the holy angels opens the grave of Jesus on Easter Morning after his burial.(2) Greek Baruch describes how he held the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, He opens the gate and brings oil to the people.(3) In the Life of Adam and Eve it is the Angel Michael who commands Satan to worship Adam because he was made in the image of God. Satan refuses and thus he and his followers were driven from heaven. It was this same angel who brought seed to Adam from Paradise and taught him how to till the ground.(4)

    But the Great Angel is also Melchizedek.(5) Some early Church Fathers claimed this, such as Origen, though Jerome disagreed. Perhaps it was the silence of his parentage which gave rise to this legend. The Pentateuch does say he was a Priest after El Elyon in Jerusalem. This El Elyon was the Procreator of Heaven and Earth. We also understand that Melchizedek is of the Royal House. Ps. 110 depicts this. Both Genesis 14 and Ps. 110 depict Melchizedek thus. And Melchizedek was lumped with Michael as well. as my previous note showed, at least in medieval Judaic esoterica.

    So it is a remarkably fascinating document coming from the Dead Sea Scrolls, the 11Q Melchizedek, that strings all kinds of materials together from the scriptures and legend which depicts Melchizedek with all the roles of Yahweh! He is the agent of the Judgement of God, in a Jubilee year no less. He made expiation for men. Melchizedek was the judge in the council of the gods. He wreaked vengeance on Belial and was the one heralded in Isaiah 52:7. He was the great Atoner on the Day of Atonement.(6) There is much more to explore, which I will do so as I have time. For now what we come to grasp is the angel traditions in the late Judaism after Alexander the Great’s Kingdom was split up, the Hellenistic Age, the same era which produced the incredible Books of Enoch, which also identify Metatron not only with Enoch but with the Great Angel *usually reserved for Yahweh), and thus we see many men inhabiting the same role as Yahweh, Enoch even being called the “Lesser Yahweh.” It is a remarkable era.


    Endnotes
    1. Carolyn Osiek, “The Shepherd of Hermas,” Fortress Press, 1999: 195.
    2. M. A. Knibb, “Ascension and Martyrdom of Isaiah,” in James H. Charlesworth, “Old Testament Pseudepigrapha, vol. 2, p. 160.
    3. R. H. Charles, “The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament,” Vol. 2, Oxford, reprint, 1979: 540-541.
    4. Discussed in Margaret Barker, “The Great Angel,” SPCK, John Knox Press, 1992: 88.
    5. Barker, “Great Angel,” p. 88.
    6. Kobelski, "Melchizedek and Melchiresha," in Catholic Biblical Quarterly.
     
  2. Teritos

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    Melchizedek, the King of Peace, the King of Justice, without father, without mother, without beginning and without end is Yahweh himself, he is the praised God.
     
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    The writer of Hebrews asks an important question:

    "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? " Heb 7:11

    Good question.
     
  4. ToGodorNottoGod

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    Yes indeed, Hebrews is a very good book in the NT... I shall have to find the analysis of Hebrews concerning Melchizedek I have seen recently and share it here. Good eye.
     
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    How do you know that in 11Q13 Malki-Tzedek isn't a title for God? The term simply means "My king is justice".
     
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  6. ToGodorNottoGod

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    Indeed. He could well be. I shall review what has been said. If memory serves me correctly, I actually do believe this is played with on words in the Zohar to this effect from the Jewish side of things. An excellent question.
     
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    Why would Abraham pay tithes to God or even an angel for that matter? God and angels do not need tithes. This is why I believe Melchizedek was a man that Abraham wanted to honor. Which indicates that this man may have been known by and even related to Abraham.

    According to midrash known as the book of Jasher it's Shem and I agree. Shem's name even just means "name" in Hebrew ... so he's really kind of anonymous himself because his name is just name. And furthermore he's not tied to Melchizedek in the scriptures so Melchizedek figure himself is also very anonymous thus fulfilling conditions set in the book of Hebrews.

    Also Noah may indicate the priestly status of Shem when he says "the God of Shem" (Genesis 9:26)

    Finally here is my theory ...
    After the flood the land was divided among the 3 brothers' descendants (Genesis 10:25). All the land known as the "land of Canaan" was actually given to Shem but Canaan did not like his own inheritance which was Libya. (This could be why later on the Canaanites built Carthage in Libya) So he stayed in Shem's land which became known as Canaan land. This is why the Israelites were commissioned by God to take the land. It was rightfully theirs as descendants of Shem.

    Shem himself knowing the promised land was for his descendants came there also and built the city called "salem" which is peace. For the time he lived among the Canaanites. Also note that Salem is similar in sound to Shem itself.

    Later on this city Salem was taken over by the Jebusites apparently called their leaders "Adonizedec" Lord of righteousness. (Joshua 10:1) A strange name but explainable if it goes all the way back to Melchizedek (King of righteousness) himself. This may indicate a continued tradition for the inhabitants of the city.

    So when David took the city of Salem for his own capital he called it simply what it was ... the old foundations of Salem. That's why Jerusalem means foundations of peace. And yes David must have known about the story of Melchizedek in the city of Salem.

    None of this is fact but just my theory and the reason I believe Melchizedek is likely Shem.
     
  8. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Why does Melchizedek need to be an angel? His very short story works just fine with him as a man.
     
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    Some Hebrew Lexicons say "King of Justice" Also Paul, a Jew who lived 2000 years ago, translates the name as "King of Justice", the OT also calls him "King of Peace".
    Mighty titles which only belongs to God.
     
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    Just to note: The reason I translated it as "my king etc" is because it's spelled Malki, not Melech. Malki - מלכי means "my king", as opposed to Melech - מלך which just means "king". The Yod at the end makes all the difference.
     
  11. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    No, they do NOT belong only to God. Where do you get that idea from?

    Yes, Melchizedek translates as King of Justice. The city's name is Salem (the precursor to Jerusalem) and Salem means Peace.
     
  12. ToGodorNottoGod

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    Why does Melchizedek need to be an angel? His very short story works just fine with him as a man.

    These are some Jewish Exegesis is all. I'm just showing there is more to Melchizedek than meets the eye. Just sharing some fun and interesting info
     
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