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Meanwhile, this guy.

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by ImmortalFlame, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. ImmortalFlame

    ImmortalFlame Well-Known Member

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    So, a sitting Australian senator, Fraser Anning, had some views about the recent shootings in New Zealand:

    “I am utterly opposed to any form of violence within our community, and I totally condemn the actions of the gunman.
    "However, while this kind of violent vigilantism can never be justified, what it highlights is the growing fear within our community, both in Australia and New Zealand, of the increasing Muslim presence.
    "As always, left-wing politicians and the media will rush to claim that the causes of today’s shootings lie with gun laws or those who hold nationalist views but this is all clichéd nonsense.
    "The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.
    "Let us be clear, while Muslims may have been the victims today, usually they are the perpetrators. World-wide, Muslims are killing people in the name of their faith on an industrial scale."
    SOURCE: Senator’s ‘appalling’ NZ comments


    I just wanted to post this here in the hopes that no matter what your political or religious ideology, or your personal beliefs concerning religion or immigration, we can all come together to condemn this utter, utter, irredeemable piece of trash.
     
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  2. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I am afraid Annings comments are becoming more and typical of the xenophobic right. We should all condemn such attitudes as being a prime mover in acts of terrorism.
     
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    Even Piers Morgan called his comment disgusting.

    That says it all.
     
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  4. Stanyon

    Stanyon RF's Ultra -Square

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    Certainly a tragedy to be condemned committed by someone who has been radicalized but this has been a long time in coming. The hatred didn't happen overnight or by accident so I think some reflection would be wise to better understand where some of it may have come from.

    From 13 years ago:
    "We can ask and expect people to fit in, but the reality is that many migrants to New Zealand in recent times, and indeed to the West more generally, have come from cultures that don't share the bedrock values that New Zealanders take for granted….We cannot be indifferent to whether migrants are likely to share our bedrock values. We can't just hope it'll work out fine….Put another way, we should not welcome those who want to live in New Zealand but reject core aspects of New Zealand culture
    Brash, 2006"

    Muslims in New Zealand | Centre for Applied Cross-cultural Research | Victoria University of Wellington

     
  5. exchemist

    exchemist Well-Known Member

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    I wonder what the The Chump will have to say about this.......
     
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    Hard to say, but I'm sure those with TDS will have plenty to bloviate about.
    Seems that it is already started though.
     
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    Not at all. However the problem for the entourage of The Chump (or The Orange One, if you prefer) is how to stop him tweeting, embarrassingly, on matters that are nothing to do with him.
     
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    exchemist Well-Known Member

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    I had to look "bloviate" up. It's not in my 1970s OED, but I found the meaning, if not the etymology, on-line. Seems rather a useful word. I presume it is American. Do you know where it comes from?
     
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    Not every tragedy. But, generally speaking, yes. It is part of the game. For those interested, Trump (and many other political leaders around the world) already did speak on this tragedy and the Trump quotes I read were dignified and appropriate. He tweeted:

    "My warmest sympathy and best wishes goes out to the people of New Zealand after the horrible massacre in the Mosques. 49 innocent people have so senselessly died, with so many more seriously injured. The U.S. stands by New Zealand for anything we can do. God bless all!"
     
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    exchemist Well-Known Member

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    Thank goodness for that. Let's all hope he leaves it there.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...

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    Agreed. The way towards peace cannot ever be through hateful comments such as those.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...

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    Mid 19th century American -- boastful, aimless, "hi-falutin'" prattle. Almost outdated late 19thC, but then revived in the 20s under Warren Harding.
     
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    Thanks. A useful word.
     
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    I mean its a fallacious statement when talking about the cause of the bloodshed, but from your response you're making him sound like Hitler. We can say his comment was idiotic and over dramatic towards the end but its not like he's a pedophile or a gang leader or something. So how many utters does it take to describe real criminals then? And surely this isn't irredeemable. He could change his mind and instead say that while he is not happy about the increasing prevalence of Islam in New Zealand, that he does not believe the cause of violence against Muslims was more Muslims.

    People are just really going over board in general with the Christchurch attack. I mean can we just tone it down a bit? Nobody is getting this worked up about the thousands who die everyday.
     
  15. ImmortalFlame

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    So you don't think that fifty innocent civilians dying unnecessarily and a senior politician effectively blaming them for their own attack doesn't make that senior politician a piece of trash?

    Maybe put less effort into defending apologists for mass murder in future.
     
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    At least one citizen was quick to react:

     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    I mentioned this victim blaming BS in another thread. Fun postscript, he was subsequently upstaged by, and embroiled utterly in scandal over his response to, a teenage smacking him in the head with an egg.

    Edit: I see I've been ninjaed on the post script by @Subduction Zone . The egg thing has completely dominated national discourse for the last 24 hours. Anning has lost almost all of what little credibility he ever had in the tumult.
     
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  18. Subduction Zone

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    Hee hee, look at the post I just squeezed in before yours.
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    Look at my "edit" I squeezed in before this post :) I ninjaed your pointing out of your ninjaing
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    I doubt he even knows New Zealand exists. Even assuming he does, I can't imagine him feeling any need to comment on the incident, there were no white, protestant, Americans involved.
     
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