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Maybe Some in The Men's Right Movement Want Violence

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by CynthiaCypher, May 29, 2014.

  1. CynthiaCypher

    CynthiaCypher Well-Known Member

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    When you read want some in this movement are saying, you can tell that they are angry. But what exactly are they angry at? They are angry that they can't always get their way, that they can no longer give orders and have it be done. They are angry that women are no longer submissive to them and they are angry at their loss of power.

    And sometimes they get so angry, they advocate violence.

    So what is a person suppose to think when one of them writes stuff like this:

    "I began predicting that in a culture where the law protected one demographic, but did not govern that group, and where it governed another demographic, without protecting that demographic, a society would adapt. The members of a social caste governed but not protected by law, would begin to seek redress of grievance through other means, such as the use of retributive violence."

    "Grievances will be redressed by retributive violence."

    The only conclusion I can come to is that definitely some in the MRM want to pursue violence against women.

    Note: Thank you Mancheeze for the heads up
     
  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Libertarian Gearhead
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    Meh.
    There are angry people in any movement.
    I've even seen peace activists get violent (rallies near my old office).
    Should the presence of fringe thugs be writ large regarding a whole movement?
    Anyway, those advocating violence should be decried.
     
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  3. CynthiaCypher

    CynthiaCypher Well-Known Member

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    I think the whole movement is about anger. In fact that is the rhetoric coming out from that movement.
     
  4. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    I find ideologues of all stripes tend to be angry people. Then again, many people seem to enjoy being angry.
     
  5. MysticSang'ha

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    Dress it up in pretty language, and it simply seems like just another ideology:

    Tip of the iceberg. Plenty more.
     
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    Warning: explicit language in the link.

    On the extreme end of the spectrum:

     
  7. freethinker44

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    You mean like this?

    SCUM Manifesto - Valerie Solanas
     
  8. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Et Ducit Mundum Per Lucem
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    Some of the **** they say reminds me of some of the stuff that the most radical feminists say. Every movement has its extremist nutjobs. Two sides of the same coin.
     
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    But back to the middle, from what I've seen online...

    Most MRA sites that I've visited are separatist by nature, and look for ways to either separate themselves from women, marry more submissive/demure women (quite a few advocate marrying Asian women because they're assumed to be less like the American angry feminist), or give PUA advice on how to look so as to be a stud and pick up as many chicks as possible. A lot of the forums show frustration and being upset from being screwed over by women and divorce/custody laws.

    Every now and then, there's either the push to go "Galt", or the push to screw women over in retaliation (i.e. ex-girlfriends or ex-wives). For the most part, they're airing grievances and comparing female psychology and sexuality to severe psychosis or comparing women to children.
     
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    What are your thoughts on the SCUM manifesto?

    What are your thoughts on Elliot Rodger's manifesto?
     
  12. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    I must have been left off the invitation. Would someone please tell me what the hell I need a "men's rights" movement for?
     
  13. freethinker44

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    They're garbage. Both of them.
     
  14. freethinker44

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    Get a divorce and go through a custody hearing and then see if you still need an answer to that question.
     
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    Guilt by association seems to be a popular thread starter.
     
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    Pssst. (whispers)*It's the system that assumes women are the natural caregivers and men are the natural providers. Something feminists have been arguing against for a while.*

    :p
     
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  17. freethinker44

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    And yet...

    Apparently those issues are just whiny separatists complaining about female sexuality and psychology.

    Or maybe it's just that they're "derailing" by talking about issues that effect men.
     
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  18. Jayhawker Soule

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    Back to the kitchen, you. This is a manly discussion! :149:
     
  19. Jayhawker Soule

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  20. CynthiaCypher

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    Is that all you can throw at us. An out-dated piece of arty satire?

    I have seen far worse coming from MRA's and they are not writing satire. And the MRA's are far more prolific than Valerie Solanas, who is a mere footnote in the Feminist movement.
     
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