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Featured May this be the answer to why believers speak differently even they believe in the same God

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Conscious thoughts, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. Conscious thoughts

    Conscious thoughts Veteran Member

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    Why do people see different values in a god or a prophet or the spiritual teacher?

    Is that maybe because you see or hear what you, want to see and hear, so what you hear and see becomes a reflection of you? and not the real truth in the teaching?

    Should we put away our own "wants" and only listen with an empty mind when we listen to the teaching of a God/Prophet or our spiritual teacher here on earth?
     
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  2. Unveiled Artist

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    Because so far I've observed God doesn't speak in an audible voice. Our conceptions of God whether it be from ourselves, tradition, spiritual teachers, incarnations, or prophets these things and people help shape people's view of God.

    In other words, unless there is one religion or one truth thereby making all other paths lies, it makes sense people use what they have to define the values they believe come from God.

    I would also say having an empty mind in itself doesn't mean everyone will come to one truth.

    Also, to be honest, I see a discrepancy in what you've been saying.

    1. Is there one truth or does everyone have their own.

    2. Is it wrong that people see what they want to see and why.

    3. What is the real truth and who defines it.

    4. If we all have an empty spiritual mind would we gain the same insight.

    5. Why aren't spiritual teachers held at the same criteria as followers.

    Rhetorical questions above.

    6. What's the real truth of the teaching?
     
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  3. Conscious thoughts

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    To all of your questions, the answer is: I can not give you a finished answer to any of them, because as a practitioner I am still in development, so I do not hold the full truth (if there is such a thing as full truth)

    But what I do believe is that, before our ego has been fully dissolved, it is not possible to understand or know the full truth in any spiritual teaching. Since this is my personal belief, there might be other answers that fit you better than what I say :)
     
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    Yes

    Absolutely
     
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    TransmutingSoul One Planet One People Please
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    Yes it is offered we must empty ourselves before we can be filled with knowledge from a divine source.

    "O SON OF DUST! Blind thine eyes, that thou mayest behold My beauty; stop thine ears, that thou mayest hearken unto the sweet melody of My voice; empty thyself of all learning, that thou mayest partake of My knowledge; and sanctify thyself from riches, that thou mayest obtain a lasting share from the ocean of My eternal wealth. Blind thine eyes, that is, to all save My beauty; stop thine ears to all save My word; empty thyself of all learning save the knowledge of Me; that with a clear vision, a pure heart and an attentive ear thou mayest enter the court of My Holiness." Baha'u'llah Hidden Words.

    Regards Tony
     
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  6. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    The problem with the 'should' is only the extremely tiny minority can really have no egoic self which would allow a truly open mind.
     
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  7. Conscious thoughts

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    This is true
     
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    My teachers have said to not discuss lessons with anyone else for that reason. It avoid adding confusion and creating discord.

    Of course if people are on a shared project, questions arise and need to be dealt with but that's another matter.
     
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    Questions that arise when we study with others from the same faith, can be discussed freely and in respect for each others and of the truth, Discussion about certain topics with people of multiple beliefs or nonbeliefs can lead to a lot of confusion, that is true too :)
     
  10. Unveiled Artist

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    Don't worry. I made them rhetorical questions (no ?s) for insight.

    My question is what is the real teaching?

    If we emptied our minds how would we know there is a real teaching... I ask because I'm sure you have an idea of what the real teaching is to ask (and hold an opinion) as to whether or not people are following it or their own values masked as real teachings.
     
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    To me, the real teaching comes from God through the prophet and then through the Shaykh in a line with genuine teachers. How it is done in other religions I do not know.
     
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    Actually you were correct at the offset. It's actually been you all along.
     
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    Do you believe that those who don't follow the real teachings are seeing and hearing what they want to see and hear and not the real teaching coming from god through prophets and Shaykh?

    You kinda see where I'm getting at?
     
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    Who even has the 'real' truth to start with? Assuming there is one in the first place.

    Even the criteria in selecting a teacher involves your own wants and views.
     
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    There is no "you" or "me" when ego is no longer there.
     
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    In sufism, until a practitioner stop listening with their ego, they can not gain or understand the most pure truth.
    Again, I can not and will not speak of other beliefs and how they find truth. Because I do not know.
    I do not think sufism is the only way to the truth.
     
  17. Unveiled Artist

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    Your OP question indirectly says there is one truth and it asks why people don't realize that one truth rather than seeing things how they want to see it (like talking for god rather than listening to him). The real truth you believe in is in Sufism. So, from that logic, people are not believing in the real truth (sufism) but just hearing and believing what They want to believe.

    How you phrased the question by default makes it seem like others are seeing what they want to see and hear and why don't they know the real truth or real teachings.

    I'm just challenging you to think about this a bit... if Sufism is the real teachings to you and people are seeing what they want to see and hear (as in your OP) then it would make sense for them to drop their teachings and follow the real truth of Sufism.

    Since you're not promoting that view, the question and your intentions contradict each other.
     
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    The first word in the OP is. MAY THIS BE THE ANSWER? I do not hold the truth, I asked what others think.
     
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    There's always ego. It's just not there when you don't think about it.
     
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    :confused: That is a new answer to selflessness
     
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