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Featured Matthew 27:46 anyone figure this out yet?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Desert Snake, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. The Anointed

    The Anointed Well-Known Member

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    Only those who are of the seed of Adam who has become the body of mankind, and have inherited the penalty of death is truly Man; and the death of every truly Man, can only pay the blood price for their inherited sin
     
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    That is your assertion. The bible says otherwise, in the view of most major Christian denominations.
     
  3. MJFlores

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    Well Liz, I have to break this to you - Jesus Christ was never God.

    John 8:42 New International Version (NIV)

    Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.

    Assuming if Jesus Christ is God, he won't tell them "I have come here from God"
    and assuming if Jesus Christ is God, he won't tell them "God sent me."
    But the problem is a lot of people don't want to believe Jesus
    No, they do not want to believe Jesus because they want to
    Believe something they do not understand
    Like one God in 3 different personalities - a lie
     
  4. Faithofchristian

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    There are two aspects into what Christ Jesus is saying in Matthew 27:46

    One being that Christ Jesus is fulling all Prophecy that's written about him in the book of Psalm 22


    And the other one takes Spiritual discernment.to really grasp what Christ Jesus is actually saying in the spiritual Realm
    Take for instance in the book of Mark chapter 13, here Christ Jesus foretold what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is
    And when it will happen and who can committed it.

    The same with Matthew 27:26, Christ Jesus fulling all Prophecy that's written about him.
    And in the Spiritual Realm.
     
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    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    Because Christ Jesus was in the fulling all Prophecy that's written about him.
    Throughout the bible/scriptures

    And in the spiritual Realm also.
     
  6. exchemist

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    You are not "breaking" anything to anyone.

    You may choose not to believe the doctrine of the Trinity, but do not patronise orthodox Christians by pretending you have some novel or profound argument against it. This argument is very old and for most Christians was settled over a thousand years ago.
     
  7. BilliardsBall

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    Bible teachings in the NT, particularly, use hints: say the first verse of a passage for a referent.

    Jesus is quoting Psalm 22:1.

    1) Read Psalm 22...

    2) Report back on this thread, do you now "get" what Jesus meant to imply?
     
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  8. MJFlores

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    John 17:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
    Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

    Who spoke these words? Jesus
    What did Jesus do? He lifted up His eyes to heaven

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    What did he declare? The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD
    What do we mean by ONLY? and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively.
    How about Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ said he was sent by the ONLY TRUE GOD.
    If we believe this what do we have? Eternal Life
    If we do not believe what Jesus said who is the ONLY TRUE GOD? No Eternal Life.

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    It is not too late to learn the truth.
     
  9. MJFlores

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    Yes and it was in Nicaea where Jesus Christ was voted as God [325 A.D.]
    and it was in Constantinople where the HS was voted as God [380 A.D.]

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    I am not breaking anything to anyone
    Because this was all old news.

    I was RC too but not anymore.
    I faced the truth - that Jesus Christ is not God.

    The truth is Jesus Christ is the Son of God
    Since Jesus Christ is the Son
    The Father is the only true God.


    John 17:1-3 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

    After Jesus had spoken these words, he looked up to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son so that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all people, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

    Even the Catholic Bible agrees with me but the Catholics do not agree with the Catholic Bible.
     
  10. exchemist

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    Oh dear, now we get the different font sizes and colours. This is the internet equivalent of green ink.
    Have a nice day.
     
  11. A Vestigial Mote

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    What if... just what if Jesus never actually expected it to go down like this? What if the whole "martyrdom"/died-for-our-sins narrative was only written because Jesus did die, when none of his believers saw it coming? He knew he was in trouble, and so very well may have expected they'd come for him, take him away, and sentence him to death. But what if he bought into the stories of his own divinity being told to him by everyone around him, and right up until the very end thought that there would be some "deus ex machina" method of saving him from the death sentence?
     
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  12. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Suppose I kill a child. Or I exterminate 10,000 children.

    And suppose that the judge condemns me to death. However, I know that I will be alive and kicking two days later, again.

    Is that really an eye for an eye? Do you think the parents of those kids will say: cool, she died, so justice has been done. The fact that she did not stay dead so long, like our kids, is not so important.

    Ciao

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    The Church teaches no such thing, get over yourself.
     
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    From the history of the Prophets before him, of course he knew.

    There were no stories of His divinity during His lifetime told by anyone. All such stories were post D/R.
     
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    I never quite know how one is supposed to respond to a "What if.....?" question like this. Is this meant as a hypothetical scenario? And what sort of answer is expected? I mean, in that scenario one would have a man who deluded himself into thinking he was the Son of God. Obviously. What more can one say?

    Or does "What if...?" indicate that you think this is a real alternative explanation for what happened? If so, why do you need to ask "What if...?" ? Surely you are offering a hypothesis, not asking a question, aren't you? So then why put it in the form of a question?
     
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    Because I have no idea if it is true or not. I can't even know if Jesus actually existed. Nothing more than a thinking exercise in considering what is plausible versus less plausible. I admit it to be nothing more.
     
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  17. Desert Snake

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    This is actually really bad for your argument, because it affirms usage of 'G- d' as a 'name' for the "father", regardless of who one is calling the 'father'.

    Basically self refuting your own argument.
    John 8:42
     
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  18. Faithofchristian

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    That's right, Jesus did say God is the only true God.
    Jesus of flesh and blood,
    God is the only true God.
    But Jesus as God, is the only true God.
     
  19. Desert Snake

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    You didn't really answer why that correlation is being made. Yoheshua presumably John 10
    Knew all this was going to occur, why the correlation to a Psalm and to 'forsaken', idea.
     
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