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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Vee, Jan 14, 2018.

  1. Faithofchristian

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    First of all it depends on what bible your using.

    You used the words ( You are going to hear )

    While the KJV 1611 has the words
    ( And you shall hear ) There's a big difference?
     
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    They were looking for the end of the things he's describing. He's mocking their disbelief. The pangs of distress had already come. So, he's challenging their minds to process their relative positions within a timeline.


    The generation he was talking to in person experienced their movement within the timeline, through completion.
     
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    No, there isn't. It means the same thing. Both words refer to the future.
     
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    That's what Jesus said to do, ie., "keep on the watch (Matthew 24:42)", after he gave the signs to look for. You posted some great information, but unfortunately, we can see by some of these responses that 2 Peter 3:3-5 is being fulfilled.

    Living conditions are bad and getting worse for so many, but it's mostly overlooked. Reminds me of the experiment of the frog put in a pot of hot water: it immediately feels the difference, and jumps out. But then take that same frog, put him in tepid water....if you turn up the heat just a little at a time, he won't recognize the difference. He'll just sit at the bottom till the water is boiled, and he's cooked. I'm sure you see the analogy.

    Your post reminded me of what I read once: "1913 was the last normal year in human history."
    I thought it was attributed to Historian Arnold Toynbee, but not sure.

    I found this -- it represents a lot of research, and it contains a similar phrase. Hope you enjoy it!

    (From https://www.quora.com/How-significant-was-the-year-1914-in-human-history)

    “Everyone agrees in recognizing that in the whole history of mankind, few dates have had the importance of August 2, 1914.” (Maurice Genevoix, Promise of Greatness)


    “Those who lived through the war could never rid themselves of the belief that one world had ended and another begun in August 1914.” (The Generation of 1914, Robert Wohl, Professor of History)


    “The whole world really blew up about World War I and we still don’t know why. Before then, men thought that utopia was in sight. There was peace and prosperity. Then everything blew up. We’ve been in a state of suspended animation ever since . . . More people have been killed in this century than in all of history.” (Dr. Walker Percy, American Medical News, November 21, 1977)


    “Everything would get better and better. This was the world I was born in. . . . Suddenly, unexpectedly, one morning in 1914 the whole thing came to an end.” (British statesman Harold Macmillan, The New York Times, November 23, 1980)


    “The last completely ‘normal’ year in history was 1913, the year before World War I began.” (Times-Herald, Washington, D.C., March 13, 1949)


    “In 1914 the world lost a coherence which it has not managed to recapture since. . . . This has been a time of extraordinary disorder and violence, both across national frontiers and within them.” (The Economist)


    “The Great War of 1914-18 lies like a band of scorched earth dividing that time from ours. In wiping out so many lives which would have been operative on the years that followed, in destroying beliefs, changing ideas, and leaving incurable wounds of disillusion, it created a physical as well as psychological gulf between two epochs.” (Foreword to The Proud Tower, by Barbara W. Tuchman)


    “Ever since 1914, everybody conscious of trends in the world has been deeply troubled by what has seemed like a fated and predetermined march toward ever greater disaster. Many serious people have come to feel that nothing can be done to avert the plunge towards ruin.” (Bertrand Russell, The New York Times Magazine, September 27, 1953)


    “Neither the old nor the young had any suspicion that what they were witnessing, during that incomparable season of 1914, was, in fact, the end of an era.” (Before the Lamps Went Out, by Geoffrey Marcus)


    “[There was] little or no evidence of a steady rise or a ‘snowballing’ of conflicts and tensions leading directly to the outbreak of war.” On the contrary, “by late 1913 and early 1914 . . . relations among the major powers appeared to be more settled than they had been for many years.” (International Crisis, by Eugenia Nomikos and Robert C. North, 1976)


    “The effects of World War I were literally revolutionary and struck deep in the lives of almost all peoples, economically as well as socially and politically.” (Meyers Enzyklopädisches Lexikon)


    “The year 1913 marked the close of an era.” (1913 - An End and a Beginning, Virginia Cowles)


    “Before 1914 the monetary and the financial systems were compatible. . . . If one takes August 1914 as marking the dividing line between them, the contrasts between the nineteenth and the twentieth centuries are striking. In many aspects of human affairs there has been a complete reversal of trend. . . . One major reason was the severance of the linkage between the financial system and money with intrinsic value that began in 1914. . . . The breaking of the linkage was a momentous event. . . . 1914 marked a radical, and in the end catastrophic, transformation of that system.” (Ashby Bladen, senior vice president The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America)


    “By all contemporaneous accounts, the world prior to 1914 seemed to be moving irreversibly toward higher levels of civility and civilization; human society seemed perfectible. The nineteenth century had brought an end to the wretched slave trade. Dehumanizing violence seemed on the decline. . . . The pace of global invention had advanced throughout the nineteenth century, bringing railroads, the telephone, the electric light, cinema, the motor car, and household conveniences too numerous to mention. Medical science, improved nutrition, and the mass distribution of potable water had elevated life expectancy . . . The sense of the irreversibility of such progress was universal.

    “World War I was more devastating to civility and civilization than the physically far more destructive World War II: the earlier conflict destroyed an idea. I cannot erase the thought of those pre-World War I years, when the future of mankind appeared unencumbered and without limit. Today our outlook is starkly different from a century ago but perhaps a bit more consonant with reality. Will terror, global warming, or resurgent populism do to the current era of life-advancing globalization what World War I did to the previous one? No one can be confident of the answer.” (Alan Greenspan, The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World, 2007)


    “Those who have an adult’s recollection and an adult’s understanding of the world which preceded World War I look back upon it with a great nostalgia. There was a sense of security then which has never since existed.”(Professor Benjamin M. Anderson, Economics and the Public Welfare)


    “Historic events are often said to have ‘changed everything.’ In the case of the Great War this is, for once, true. The war really did change everything: not just borders, not just governments and the fate of nations, but the way people have seen the world and themselves ever since. It became a kind of hole in time, leaving the postwar world permanently disconnected from everything that had come before.” (A World Undone, G. J. Meyer, 2006)


    “The outbreak of the war in 1914 is the great turning point of the history of humanity. . . . We entered an age of disaster, horror, and hatred, with insecurity everywhere.” (Peter Munch, Danish historian)


    “Everywhere, the standards of social behavior—already in decline—were devastated...if the politicians and generals had treated the millions under their care like animals dispatched to slaughter, then what canons of religion or ethics could any longer inhibit men from treating each other with the ferocity of jungle beasts? . . . The slaughter of the First World War thoroughly debased the value of human life.” (Norman Cantor, The Outline of History)

    .....there are quite a few more, some highlighting how fast conditions changed, just prior to the WWI outbreak.
     
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  5. Faithofchristian

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    That of 2 Peter Chapter 3 has nothing to do with the future, The whole Chapter 3 is past tense and not future tense.
    Had you started at the beginning of Chapter 3, and read the whole Chapter in it's complicity, that it has nothing at all to do with future, but what happened back in the pass of Millions if not Billions of years ago.
    If you notice in Verse 5--"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water"

    If you go back to Genesis 1:2-10 there you will find the earth standing out of the water and in the water.
    So now if you go back to 2 Peter Chapter 3 in Verse 6--"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water perished"

    Here we find the earth being overflowed with water. This to takes back to
    Genesis 1:2 where the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, which covered the earth.

    Peter wrote in Verse's 15 & 16, how Paul also Written of those things, which are pass tense, that has nothing to do with the future.

    The world that then was, that 2 Peter Chapter 3 is talking about, is the world to where the dinosaurs bones came from
    The first earth age, That now we're in the second phrase of Earth's history.

    That when Christ Jesus returns, that will Usher in the third history of the earth age.
     
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    I can agree in that NOW ( present tense ) we are in the ' second ' phase, so to speak, of Earth's history in the sense of 2 Peter 3:7 because NOW is the time between the OLD time or phase of Noah's day ( see verse 5 which Noah's day was Not billions of years ago) to our NOW day, and the coming NEW time or NEW phase as mentioned at 2 Peter 3:13 ( future tense ) .
    Jesus also I find mentioned ' future tense ' at Matthew 24:37 connection Noah's day to our day.

    I wonder how you concluded the whole chapter 3 of 2nd Peter has nothing at all to do with the future because my comprehension of 2 Peter 3:3-4 definitely mentions the ' last days ', as does 2 Timothy 3 ( future tense ).
    I conclude we are in the last days of badness on Earth before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill such as the persons of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
     
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    I can agree in that there was a first or ' minor ' fulfillment of Matthew 24:34 that the people alive when Jesus was still alive on Earth did see a limited fulfillment in the destruction of un-faithful Jerusalem in the year 70 by the Roman armies - Matthew 24:15

    As far as the second or ' MAJOR ' fulfillment of Matthew 24:21 and Luke 21 that is Not through completion because we have Not yet reached the completed coming time of separation Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 in connection to our day or time frame. Also, the year 70 did Not see the great tribulation such as was not since the world's beginning.....
    But, the great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 is ahead of us when we will see the fulfillment to completion, before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, brings Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
     
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    Please post for us the Greek Interlinear words for us because Matthew 24:6 was written in Greek before English.
     
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    I also wonder how the Spanish Flu outbreak compares to the 100 Years War besides combined WWI and WWII.
    Also, I find the good news of Matthew 24:14 was Not proclaimed on an international scale during the 100 yrs. war.

    How does one conclude North Korea's nuclear blasting has Nothing to do with the types of earthquakes today.
     
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    The Spanish flu outbreak was significant at the time, but very minor compared to the plagues of Europe in the past. In the period of the hundred years war, the world was indeed dominated by Europe except for China.

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    How does one conclude North Korea's nuclear blasting has Nothing to do with the types of earthquakes today.[/QUOTE]

    Simply the Geophysics monitoring of earthquakes worldwide. Other than minor tremors of the tests themselves, which are hugely minor compared to nuclear tests in the past. The nuclear test in the past were 100 to 1,000 times greater than the North Korea tests. No change in earthquake frequency.
     
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    Since Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 is a known variable, then never before in history has the 'good news of God's kingdom' of Daniel 2:44 been proclaimed on such a vast international global scale as it is being done today.
    Even modern technology has made possible rapid Bible translation so people even in earth's remote areas can now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages as never before in history.

    'Mankind' with man's doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock has set the hands close to striking the dark midnight hour.
    Whereas what the Bible really teaches is a * bright * future, a happy climax, a happy ending as mentioned at Revelation 22:2 when mankind on Earth will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth for the healing of earth's nations on Earth. Jesus will fulfill God's promise to father Abraham as found at Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18 that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed. Blessed with the benefit of healing for earth's nations when even ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth as per 1 Corinthians 15:34-26; Isaiah 25:8.
     
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    Also, the past plagues of Europe are Not in connection to Matthew 24:14.
    There was No global proclaiming about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 done at that time frame.
    The events or features of chapter 24 of Matthew and chapter 21 of Luke must occur on a global scale.

    What I wanted to stress is Not the frequency, but that gospel writer Luke wrote at Luke 21:11 the types of earthquakes. Luke used the adjective ' GREAT ' to describe the types of earthquakes that would be occurring before the soon coming ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 comes.
     
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    Than nothing has happened concerning earthquakes has happened on a global scale.
     
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    What I see pictured on the news is Not nothing, and the world-wide proclaiming about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is also Not nothing, but has now reached the far corners of Earth, so to speak.
     
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    That happened by 1844
     
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    That's because in the last days, people will come scoffers claiming everything continuing as they were from the beginning of the creation, For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water.

    This will take you to Genesis 1:9, There you will find the earth standing out of the water and in the water.

    In Genesis 1:2--"The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the water's.
    This is way before Noah came to be born.
    So where did this water come from that's covering the earth in Genesis 1:2

    Don't tell me, That God created the earth and then covered the earth with water and then came back have the dry land appear.

    So the earth had to be there, for the water to cover the earth.
    Why not just create the earth and then put the water as to where it is now.

    Why go to all the trouble in creating the earth and then cover the earth with water and then come back and have the dry land appear.
    So why not just put the water in it's place as it is now. Then go to the trouble of creating the earth and then cover the earth with water and then come back and have the dry appear. Which was there in the first place.
     
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    It's all common sense, that the words
    ( You are going to hear ) this means that people will definitely hear in all places on earth of rumors of wars.
    As versus the words ( you shall hear ) it's not anything definitely, because people may live in places on earth, where they shall not hear rumors of wars.
     
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    In 1844 the Bible was Not nearly translated into as many languages as it is today.
    The work of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 had Not reached the global proportions as it is today.
     
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    Thank you for your reply.
    I find in the Greek/English Interlinear of Matthew 24:6.... you will be about but to be hearing wars and hearing of wars....
     
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    I find the Deluge / Flood waters came from the separate water canopy expanse of Genesis 1:7.
    The water firmament waters came down from the heavens upon the 'earth-and-water' Earth.
    Those above ' flood waters ' later came down as per Genesis 7:10; Genesis 7:11 B; Genesis 8:2.
    So, there was both: water on Earth and water in earth's atmosphere. (kind of reminds me of a greenhouse effect)
    Please notice Genesis 2:5 because it informs us that God had Not caused it to 'rain' upon the Earth.
    The water on Earth is the water of Genesis 2:6. A 'mist ' from earth's waters is what watered the whole face of the ground.
    So, it was a ' mist ' and Not rainfall that watered the edenic Earth.
    After the Flood is when the sky was then so clear that mankind then saw clear sun and rain.
    Before the Flood it was Genesis 2:5 B a ' mist ' watering Earth from earth's already there existing ground waters.
     
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