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Matthew 24: 6-8 check-list

Vee

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6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.

In these Bible verses we read that the disciples asked Jesus when this system would end, but he didn’t give them a date. He did however mention some things that would happen around that time: signs to look for that would give people an idea of the times they would be living in.

But are those things actually happening or are we, Bible believers, being deceived by our wishful thinking? Let’s have a look at the 3 signs highlighted.


1 - Is there conflict in different parts of the world?

While some parts of the world are in peace and have been without armed conflicts for many years, others have indeed been experiencing one conflict after the other.
In this chart from History Today, we can see the gradual increase in wars, especially since the beginning of the 19th century Alarming increase in wars | History Today.

Further information can be found on List of ongoing armed conflicts - Wikipedia and Global Conflict Tracker.

This article from the Independent is more than one year old, but it also makes some important points: There are now only 10 countries in the whole world that are fully at peace.


2 – Are there food shortages?

The fight to end hunger has been ongoing for a very long time, with some victories and some losses.
For some time it looked like things were heading in the right direction. In 2011 there were more people suffering from obesity than hunger, which might seem like good news, but maybe it’s not. First of all, being obese is not a good thing, second, the percentage of people starving is huge and with more armed conflicts and weather changes displacing more and more people, famine will continue to increase despite the efforts being made by numerous entities to end it.

Please see the following for more information:

World hunger again on the rise, driven by conflict and climate change, new UN report says

Famine Is on the Rise Around the World — and Climate Change Is to Blame

Famine looms in four countries as aid system struggles to cope, experts warn

UN Aid Chief: 20 Million People in 4 Countries Face Starvation, Famine


3 – Are there earthquakes in “one place after another”?

Yes, and so it has been for a long time, as we can see in the following articles:

Is earthquake activity increasing? | British Geological Survey (BGS)

https://www.oceannetworks.ca/are-earthquakes-rise

Are earthquakes increasing? Not sure. This one is a bit trickier because an accurate measurement of earthquake frequency and intensity has only been around for a few centuries. Since the earth is much older than that, it makes statistics subject to doubts.
It seems like things have been stable, but we have the impression that there are more earthquakes because of highly populated areas that make for more victims, and better information networks to tell us about it.

There are predictions for an increase in 2018: Upsurge in big earthquakes predicted for 2018 as Earth rotation slows, Volcanoes and Earthquakes Are Increasing—But Why?. Let’s see how that goes.

I don’t know if Jesus was referring exclusively to earthquakes or natural disasters in general. If he was talking about natural disasters, the last couple of years have been off the charts, with 2017 being particularly catastrophic with total economic losses toping 300 billion dollars (Global Disasters Wreaked Havoc In 2017 - Total Economic Losses Top $300 Billion)
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.

In these Bible verses we read that the disciples asked Jesus when this system would end, but he didn’t give them a date. He did however mention some things that would happen around that time: signs to look for that would give people an idea of the times they would be living in.

But are those things actually happening or are we, Bible believers, being deceived by our wishful thinking? Let’s have a look at the 3 signs highlighted.


1 - Is there conflict in different parts of the world?

While some parts of the world are in peace and have been without armed conflicts for many years, others have indeed been experiencing one conflict after the other.
In this chart from History Today, we can see the gradual increase in wars, especially since the beginning of the 19th century Alarming increase in wars | History Today.

Further information can be found on List of ongoing armed conflicts - Wikipedia and Global Conflict Tracker.

This article from the Independent is more than one year old, but it also makes some important points: There are now only 10 countries in the whole world that are fully at peace.


2 – Are there food shortages?

The fight to end hunger has been ongoing for a very long time, with some victories and some losses.
For some time it looked like things were heading in the right direction. In 2011 there were more people suffering from obesity than hunger, which might seem like good news, but maybe it’s not. First of all, being obese is not a good thing, second, the percentage of people starving is huge and with more armed conflicts and weather changes displacing more and more people, famine will continue to increase despite the efforts being made by numerous entities to end it.

Please see the following for more information:

World hunger again on the rise, driven by conflict and climate change, new UN report says

Famine Is on the Rise Around the World — and Climate Change Is to Blame

Famine looms in four countries as aid system struggles to cope, experts warn

UN Aid Chief: 20 Million People in 4 Countries Face Starvation, Famine


3 – Are there earthquakes in “one place after another”?

Yes, and so it has been for a long time, as we can see in the following articles:

Is earthquake activity increasing? | British Geological Survey (BGS)

https://www.oceannetworks.ca/are-earthquakes-rise

Are earthquakes increasing? Not sure. This one is a bit trickier because an accurate measurement of earthquake frequency and intensity has only been around for a few centuries. Since the earth is much older than that, it makes statistics subject to doubts.
It seems like things have been stable, but we have the impression that there are more earthquakes because of highly populated areas that make for more victims, and better information networks to tell us about it.

There are predictions for an increase in 2018: Upsurge in big earthquakes predicted for 2018 as Earth rotation slows, Volcanoes and Earthquakes Are Increasing—But Why?. Let’s see how that goes.

I don’t know if Jesus was referring exclusively to earthquakes or natural disasters in general. If he was talking about natural disasters, the last couple of years have been off the charts, with 2017 being particularly catastrophic with total economic losses toping 300 billion dollars (Global Disasters Wreaked Havoc In 2017 - Total Economic Losses Top $300 Billion)

People habe been using this to say the world is going to any any day since when, the dark ages, or longer? /shrug

None of these things are red flags for me as I pay attention to only 2 things. One of which has happened and the other has not happened yet.

1. The Parable of the Fig Tree (already happened in 1948 in Israel)

Mathew 24 32-36

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

2. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (yet to come)

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Of course it ultimately does not matter due to Mathew 24:36. God's word on this will prevent anyone from ever predicting the exact day. So really, there is not much to worry about. Live your life, be happy, and help out your neighbor if your able to.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
But are those things actually happening or are we, Bible believers, being deceived by our wishful thinking? Let’s have a look at the 3 signs highlighted.
It's a sort of cognitive bias. Those things have always been going on. There has never been a time where there isn't major conflicts going on, there has always been famine and those who are hungry, and far more earthquakes happen each year than what most people realize. These things are happening. The wishful thinking, however, doesn't come in until someone insists this time is somehow different than any other time it's been going on. And certainly things like war and famine and plague have been worse at various times in history than they are now.
 

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Of course it ultimately does not matter due to Mathew 24:36. God's word on this will prevent anyone from ever predicting the exact day. So really, there is not much to worry about. Live your life, be happy, and help out your neighbor if your able to.

Absolutely, but I find it useful to know what's going on and "keep my eyes open", even if no one knows the date.
 

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It's a sort of cognitive bias. Those things have always been going on. There has never been a time where there isn't major conflicts going on, there has always been famine and those who are hungry, and far more earthquakes happen each year than what most people realize. These things are happening.

True, but due to the amount of people on earth today, they have a global impact instead of the local impact they used to have before.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Absolutely, but I find it useful to know what's going on and "keep my eyes open", even if no one knows the date.
Major religions have a figure who comes to put the world right-side up whether it be the Second Coming, Maitreya, and so forth. So my perspective is not limited to one religion but to looking at them all.

I personally think we're just starting to see the dawn of a New Beginning. But unlike our mostly automatic expectation of a "Hollywood spectacular" change happening in 3D one day with trumpets literally blowing etc, What I see is that the birth of the new world is happening mostly very quietly all around us as a first breath of spring is found in late winter.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Major religions have a figure who comes to put the world right-side up whether it be the Second Coming, Maitreya, and so forth.
There is Li Hong (Taoism), Yeshua (NT), David (Jewish), Saoshyant (Zoroastrianism), Kalki (Hindu), Isa (Islam); yet how do we avoid the third world war over Israel, unless anyone stops the unmanned train that we are all on first?

Most of them prophecies predict some sort of final battle before the day of holy fire to cleanse reality; now fair enough if we could have a spiritual battle on the internet, and we educate the religious all to be One, that could be a battle for peace... Yet there are too many warmongers. :confused:

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.

In these Bible verses we read that the disciples asked Jesus when this system would end, but he didn’t give them a date. He did however mention some things that would happen around that time: signs to look for that would give people an idea of the times they would be living in.

But are those things actually happening or are we, Bible believers, being deceived by our wishful thinking? Let’s have a look at the 3 signs highlighted.

The problem with this prophesy it is like prophesying that the sky is blue. These things described in this passage are universal throughout the history of civilized humanity.

1 - Is there conflict in different parts of the world?

While some parts of the world are in peace and have been without armed conflicts for many years, others have indeed been experiencing one conflict after the other.
In this chart from History Today, we can see the gradual increase in wars, especially since the beginning of the 19th century Alarming increase in wars | History Today.

Further information can be found on List of ongoing armed conflicts - Wikipedia and Global Conflict Tracker.

This article from the Independent is more than one year old, but it also makes some important points: There are now only 10 countries in the whole world that are fully at peace.

The problem again is putting history in perspective. There are times in the past, such as the 100 years war when most of the civilized cultures were at war.

2 – Are there food shortages?

The fight to end hunger has been ongoing for a very long time, with some victories and some losses.
For some time it looked like things were heading in the right direction. In 2011 there were more people suffering from obesity than hunger, which might seem like good news, but maybe it’s not. First of all, being obese is not a good thing, second, the percentage of people starving is huge and with more armed conflicts and weather changes displacing more and more people, famine will continue to increase despite the efforts being made by numerous entities to end it.

Please see the following for more information:

World hunger again on the rise, driven by conflict and climate change, new UN report says

Famine Is on the Rise Around the World — and Climate Change Is to Blame

Famine looms in four countries as aid system struggles to cope, experts warn

UN Aid Chief: 20 Million People in 4 Countries Face Starvation, Famine

There have been food shortages, particularly related to regional drought, throughout the human history, and mass starvation that have whipped out cultures.

3 – Are there earthquakes in “one place after another”?

Yes, and so it has been for a long time, as we can see in the following articles:

Is earthquake activity increasing? | British Geological Survey (BGS)

https://www.oceannetworks.ca/are-earthquakes-rise

Are earthquakes increasing? Not sure. This one is a bit trickier because an accurate measurement of earthquake frequency and intensity has only been around for a few centuries. Since the earth is much older than that, it makes statistics subject to doubts.
It seems like things have been stable, but we have the impression that there are more earthquakes because of highly populated areas that make for more victims, and better information networks to tell us about it.

There are predictions for an increase in 2018: Upsurge in big earthquakes predicted for 2018 as Earth rotation slows, Volcanoes and Earthquakes Are Increasing—But Why?. Let’s see how that goes.

These are hypothetical predictions and highly questionable. When this put in perspective of the geologic evidence over time there is no significant change in the frequency of earthquakes.

I don’t know if Jesus was referring exclusively to earthquakes or natural disasters in general. If he was talking about natural disasters, the last couple of years have been off the charts, with 2017 being particularly catastrophic with total economic losses toping 300 billion dollars (Global Disasters Wreaked Havoc In 2017 - Total Economic Losses Top $300 Billion)

One of the main reasons the natural disasters wrecked havoc in 2017 is the peak in the number of strong hurricanes making landfall. This cannot be statistically translated to a significant increase in natural disasters, though if this trend of intense hurricanes increases over time it may be a result of climate change, but even this is not conclusive at present.

The other overriding issue is the increased population densities in regions where earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and major hurricanes can cause extreme damage, lose of life, and property damage.

One of the potentially more devastating problems is slower and more insidious is the increasing regional arid and semiarid lands that were once agricultural regions. All the major agricultural regions of the world border arid and semiarid regions. This is most likely related to two climatic issues. The natural climatic cycle since the last Ice Age. and global climate change due to human influence. Both are likely causes.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
I think you have all got strange ideas about what prophesy is for. Its not for predicting things. Its for criticizing the way things are being done. Often a prophecy is set into poetry. I think its in poetry so that people will read it. It also is in story form or describes amazing visual images. There's no TV. There are no photographs, so the prophets employ the human mind instead.

I strongly recommend no longer trying to view prophecy as a crystal ball, so that its easier to come to terms with its demanding moral call.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
In these Bible verses we read that the disciples asked Jesus when this system would end, but he didn’t give them a date. He did however mention some things that would happen around that time: signs to look for that would give people an idea of the times they would be living in.
But are those things actually happening or are we, Bible believers, being deceived by our wishful thinking? Let’s have a look at the 3 signs highlighted.
1 - Is there conflict in different parts of the world?
While some parts of the world are in peace and have been without armed conflicts for many years, others have indeed been experiencing one conflict after the other.
In this chart from History Today, we can see the gradual increase in wars, especially since the beginning of the 19th century Alarming increase in wars | History Today.
Further information can be found on List of ongoing armed conflicts - Wikipedia and Global Conflict Tracker.
This article from the Independent is more than one year old, but it also makes some important points: There are now only 10 countries in the whole world that are fully at peace.
2 – Are there food shortages?
The fight to end hunger has been ongoing for a very long time, with some victories and some losses.
For some time it looked like things were heading in the right direction. In 2011 there were more people suffering from obesity than hunger, which might seem like good news, but maybe it’s not. First of all, being obese is not a good thing, second, the percentage of people starving is huge and with more armed conflicts and weather changes displacing more and more people, famine will continue to increase despite the efforts being made by numerous entities to end it.
Please see the following for more information:
World hunger again on the rise, driven by conflict and climate change, new UN report says
Famine Is on the Rise Around the World — and Climate Change Is to Blame
Famine looms in four countries as aid system struggles to cope, experts warn
UN Aid Chief: 20 Million People in 4 Countries Face Starvation, Famine
3 – Are there earthquakes in “one place after another”?
Yes, and so it has been for a long time, as we can see in the following articles:
Is earthquake activity increasing? | British Geological Survey (BGS)
https://www.oceannetworks.ca/are-earthquakes-rise
Are earthquakes increasing? Not sure. This one is a bit trickier because an accurate measurement of earthquake frequency and intensity has only been around for a few centuries. Since the earth is much older than that, it makes statistics subject to doubts.
It seems like things have been stable, but we have the impression that there are more earthquakes because of highly populated areas that make for more victims, and better information networks to tell us about it.
There are predictions for an increase in 2018: Upsurge in big earthquakes predicted for 2018 as Earth rotation slows, Volcanoes and Earthquakes Are Increasing—But Why?. Let’s see how that goes.
I don’t know if Jesus was referring exclusively to earthquakes or natural disasters in general. If he was talking about natural disasters, the last couple of years have been off the charts, with 2017 being particularly catastrophic with total economic losses toping 300 billion dollars (Global Disasters Wreaked Havoc In 2017 - Total Economic Losses Top $300 Billion)

As far as earthquakes increasing: please notice Luke 21:11 because Luke uses the adjective ' GREAT ' to describe the types of earthquakes that Jesus mentioned.
I think it was French President Charles de Gaulle who noticed quite a BIG change happening since WWI (1914).
Jesus was Not saying the bad things of Matthew 24 and Luke 21 which are happening are from his God, but just reporting to us that such things would be happening on Earth before, as Revelation 11:18 B says, God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth. Some people think all of man's atomic testing going on is a contributing factor to the earthquakes.
Remember coupled with all the bad things happening there would also be good news, the good news of Matthew 24:14 about God's kingdom government of Daniel 2:44 would be proclaimed on an international scale before the end comes. Not the end of earth ( Earth abides forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B ) but the end of all this badness on Earth when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
Jesus, as Psalms 72:8, 12-14 says, will have earthly subjects of citizens then from one end of earth to the other end.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The problem again is putting history in perspective. There are times in the past, such as the 100 years war when most of the civilized cultures were at war.
There have been food shortages, particularly related to regional drought, throughout the human history, and mass starvation that have whipped out cultures.
These are hypothetical predictions and highly questionable. When this put in perspective of the geologic evidence over time there is no significant change in the frequency of earthquakes.

I have notes that French President Charles de Gaulle was born in 1890 and in 1968 talked about WW1 ( 1914 ).
He discerned that even 1/2 century after the war ended things had not faded. Both physical and moral changes were Not the same as before, and everything changed top to bottom.
So, to me humanity lost its balance and never recovered since WW1 which was Not just some nations at war but included entire armies and civilians involved with the war or war effort.

Sure food shortages can be by drought, but the Earth produces enough food. Problem is: distribution.
Even food aid sent to countries rotted on the docks never reaching the intended people.

The ' GREAT' earthquakes ( indicator Luke 21:11) is that there are greater quakes after WW1 (1914) then before.

So, the safety before WW1 left the world, or disappeared from the world and never returned under human rule.
That is why God will have Jesus step in to bring Not only Peace on Earth, but as Revelation 22:2 says there will be healing for earth's nations. That is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:17 for Jesus to come. Come and bring peace and healing to earth's nations.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Most of them prophecies predict some sort of final battle before the day of holy fire to cleanse reality; now fair enough if we could have a spiritual battle on the internet, and we educate the religious all to be One, that could be a battle for peace... Yet there are too many warmongers. :confused:
In my opinion. :innocent:

I find the ' day of holy fire to cleanse reality ' is found in the words of Isaiah 11:3-4 and Revelation 19:14-16 that the executional words from Jesus' mouth will rid the earth of the wickedness - Proverbs 2:21-22; Psalms 37:9-11.
So, No literal fire, but we are nearing a final judgement on Earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
The humble people (figurative sheep) will have a favorable judgement.
The haughty people (figurative goats) will have an adverse judgement.
The 'sheep' can be part of the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth as Jesus' promised.
They can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth begins when there will be healing for earth's nations.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I personally think we're just starting to see the dawn of a New Beginning. But unlike our mostly automatic expectation of a "Hollywood spectacular" change happening in 3D one day with trumpets literally blowing etc, What I see is that the birth of the new world is happening mostly very quietly all around us as a first breath of spring is found in late winter.

I like how you say the dawn of a New Beginning. What some think of as an ending, to others is a new dawning.
Some think of a nuclear Armageddon, whereas the Bible's Armageddon is that the executional words from Jesus' mouth as found described at Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16 will rid the Earth of wickedness.
Right now, very quietly all around us is a first breath of spring as found in late winter is a: Spiritual Paradise.
As Noah's Ark was a symbol of salvation. Today's Spiritual Ark, an Ark Park, so to speak, is because of repentant people giving up an animalistic personality, and putting on a peaceful personality before the start of Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth begins.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Absolutely, but I find it useful to know what's going on and "keep my eyes open", even if no one knows the date.

I find we can't know the day or hour, but that we can know the ' season ' so to speak of Matthew 24:32-33.
To me, the ' season ' is right for the harvest. As we know a harvest comes at an end of a growing season.
Jesus taught that fake ' weed/tares ' Christians would grow together with the genuine ' wheat ' Christians unitl the ' harvest time ', or the soon coming ' time of separation ' as found at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
So, to me now is also the time to ' lift up one's head ' because deliverance is getting near as per Luke 21:28.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
True, but due to the amount of people on earth today, they have a global impact instead of the local impact they used to have before.
The spread of the Black Death was by no means a local occurrence. Surely they had more reason to believe the world was ending then than we do today.
Jesus, as Psalms 72:8, 12-14 says, will have earthly subjects of citizens then from one end of earth to the other end.
So does Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Wicca, Tao, and many others. Globalism, rather than mystical/supernatural forces, have spread these ideas like never before.
Not the end of earth ( Earth abides forever -
But Jesus said that both Heaven and Earth will pass.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I don’t know if Jesus was referring exclusively to earthquakes or natural disasters in general. If he was talking about natural disasters, the last couple of years have been off the charts, with 2017 being particularly catastrophic with total economic losses toping 300 billion dollars (Global Disasters Wreaked Havoc In 2017 - Total Economic Losses Top $300 Billion)

There's always been catastrophes. Whole species wiped out. As far as humans goes entire families lost. For whatever reason my ancestors managed to survive it all. I hope my children will continue to do so. There's no guarantees though.

Our being here is more likely do to luck than any skillful ability to foretell the future.

Sure there are somethings one can do to limit their risk, but sometimes stuff just happens that no one could foresee.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member

But Jesus said that both Heaven and Earth will pass.

Yes, I find Jesus said Heaven and Earth will pass.....and adds that his words won't.....
The sense of those words are in harmony with what Jesus said earlier at Matthew 5:18; Luke 16:17.
' til Heaven and Earth pass away....and easier for Heaven and Earth to pass.........'
So, Jesus was showing that since his words won't pass neither will Heaven or Earth.
That is why Jesus could promise that humble meek people will inherit the Earth.
Inherit the Earth which abides forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Psalms 37:9-11,29.
Since God's will (purpose) for Heaven is good peaceful everlasting healthy conditions, then when we pray that God's will (purpose) be done on Earth as it is in Heaven, then we are praying for those same heavenly good peaceful and healthy conditions come to exist here on Earth. After all, Jesus did Not instruct us to pray to be 'taken away' to the kingdom, Nor pray to be 'taken up' to the kingdom but for the kingdom to come. Come and bring the conditions as described at Revelation 22:2 when there will be healing for earth's nations.

Even if one calls Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 as Globalism the fact that the good news of God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is now spread on a grand international world-wide scale as never before in history, coupled with all the events described in Matthew 24 and Luke 21, shows No other religion has accomplished such a thing.
Only Jesus' followers tell others about Jesus being King of God's Kingdom for a thousand years when even 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth as mentioned at 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
There's always been catastrophes. Whole species wiped out. As far as humans goes entire families lost. For whatever reason my ancestors managed to survive it all. I hope my children will continue to do so. There's no guarantees though.
Our being here is more likely do to luck than any skillful ability to foretell the future.
Sure there are somethings one can do to limit their risk, but sometimes stuff just happens that no one could foresee.

I can agree that stuff just happens...... or as Ecclesiastes 9:11 says it is just time and unforeseen events happening.
The people of Luke 13:4-5 were just at the wrong place, wrong time.

But, I find Matthew 24 and Luke 21 is talking about a MAJOR fulfillment involving the whole Earth.
Coupled with all the bad things mentioned, Matthew 24:14 it is talking about good news for mankind.
The good news of God's kingdom government of Daniel 2:44 being proclaimed on a world-wide scale in conjunction with all the bad events on Earth. The Bible holds out a glorious future for children as described at Isaiah 11:6-9.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I can agree that stuff just happens...... or as Ecclesiastes 9:11 says it is just time and unforeseen events happening.
The people of Luke 13:4-5 were just at the wrong place, wrong time.

But, I find Matthew 24 and Luke 21 is talking about a MAJOR fulfillment involving the whole Earth.
Coupled with all the bad things mentioned, Matthew 24:14 it is talking about good news for mankind.
The good news of God's kingdom government of Daniel 2:44 being proclaimed on a world-wide scale in conjunction with all the bad events on Earth. The Bible holds out a glorious future for children as described at Isaiah 11:6-9.

Ok, but when? Next year, another 2000 years from now?

If it happens, it will happen when it does. I just assume I'll deal with it at that time.

I see no reason to take some possible future event into consideration of my day to day choices. Just too many unknown variables.

What's the point in prophecy anyway. By the time anyone understands it, it's too late anyway to change anything.

I guess it gives some folks hope. Just doom and gloom folks maybe just go end it all. Put a little hope at the end so folks will try to see it through.

Things are really, really going to suck for you,... but, there's a happy ending.

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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
As far as earthquakes increasing: please notice Luke 21:11 because Luke uses the adjective ' GREAT ' to describe the types of earthquakes that Jesus mentioned.
I think it was French President Charles de Gaulle who noticed quite a BIG change happening since WWI (1914).
Jesus was Not saying the bad things of Matthew 24 and Luke 21 which are happening are from his God, but just reporting to us that such things would be happening on Earth before, as Revelation 11:18 B says, God will bring to ruin those ruining the Earth. Some people think all of man's atomic testing going on is a contributing factor to the earthquakes.
Remember coupled with all the bad things happening there would also be good news, the good news of Matthew 24:14 about God's kingdom government of Daniel 2:44 would be proclaimed on an international scale before the end comes. Not the end of earth ( Earth abides forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B ) but the end of all this badness on Earth when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.
Jesus, as Psalms 72:8, 12-14 says, will have earthly subjects of citizens then from one end of earth to the other end.

I believe other wars like the '100 Years War.' had an equal catastrophic impact on Europe as World War I. The rest has not remotely been fulfilled as expected.

Highlighted wishful thinking and speculative conjecture for an increase in earthquakes has no remote basis related to nuclear weapons testing except the earth tremor registered by the explosion itself. The best evidence is the fact that nuclear weapon testing reached its peak in the fifties through the seventies and has since tapered off, and there is no related trend in earthquakes to follow this pattern. Actually, from a geologist perspective the only human factor known to increase the frequency of earthquakes is in the Midwest the extensive use fracking in natural gas exploration has caused an increase in low intensity shallow earthquakes.
 
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