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Matthew 16:28

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
In the book of Matthew 16:28, We find Christ Jesus saying ---" Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom"

Any comments about this, how is this to work seeing those people have long been dead and buried.
So how is this to be possible for those people that are standing there to see the Son of man
( Christ Jesus ) coming in his kingdom ?

There is a way that this is possible
But what is it ?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Seen from a Buddhist P.O.W those people must reach enlightenment before they would be able to see/meet Christ again. But others may see this differently then i do :)
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Seen from a Buddhist P.O.W those people must reach enlightenment before they would be able to see/meet Christ again. But others may see this differently then i do :)

Nope not at all, those people did see Christ Jesus come in his kingdom.

But the question is, In what way did those people see Christ Jesus come in his kingdom?
 

Earthling

David Henson
The Interpreter's Bible says: "The prediction was not fulfilled, and later Christians found it necessary to explain that it was metaphorical."

What believers and skeptics alike seem to have glossed over is the fact that in the very next verse Matthew reveals that just 6 days later this prophecy was fulfilled. Peter, James and John witnessed the transfiguration. (Matthew 17:1-2 / Luke 9:27-36 / 2 Peter 1:16-18)
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The Interpreter's Bible says: "The prediction was not fulfilled, and later Christians found it necessary to explain that it was metaphorical."

What believers and skeptics alike seem to have glossed over is the fact that in the very next verse Matthew reveals that just 6 days later this prophecy was fulfilled. Peter, James and John witnessed the transfiguration. (Matthew 17:1-2 / Luke 9:27-36 / 2 Peter 1:16-18)

That of Matthew 16:28 was fulfilled during the time of those people standing there to see the coming of the Son of man ( Christ Jesus) coming in his kingdom.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
In the book of Matthew 16:28, We find Christ Jesus saying ---" Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom"

Any comments about this, how is this to work seeing those people have long been dead and buried.
So how is this to be possible for those people that are standing there to see the Son of man
( Christ Jesus ) coming in his kingdom ?

There is a way that this is possible
But what is it ?
Magic.

As long as we're assuming the existence of magical beings like gods, it seems like we're leaving "magic" out there as an option. Maybe some people have magically lived for ~2000 years.

Apart from that, it seems to me that the prediction has failed.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
In the book of Matthew 16:28, We find Christ Jesus saying ---" Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom"

Any comments about this, how is this to work seeing those people have long been dead and buried.
So how is this to be possible for those people that are standing there to see the Son of man
( Christ Jesus ) coming in his kingdom ?

There is a way that this is possible
But what is it ?

It came true after few days:


After six days, Jesus took with him Peter, James, and John his brother, and brought them up into a high mountain by themselves. He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his garments became as white as the light. Behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them talking with him.

Matt. 17:1-3
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Magic.

As long as we're assuming the existence of magical beings like gods, it seems like we're leaving "magic" out there as an option. Maybe some people have magically lived for ~2000 years.

Apart from that, it seems to me that the prediction has failed.

It seems that you have nothing, as you got to be kidding people living 2000 years, as to how you come by that
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It seems that you have nothing, as you got to be kidding people living 2000 years, as to how you come by that
Like I said: magic.

How did God create the world? Magic.
How did God flood the world? Magic.
How did God turn a staff into a snake, wreak the plagues of Egypt, and part the Red Sea? Magic.
How did Jesus walk on water? Magic.
How did the dead rise from their graves, come into Jerusalem, and talk to the people? Magic.
How did Jesus resurrect himself after death? Magic.

So it seems to me that the story assumes magic in all sorts of ways. Could magic be used to make someone live for 2000 years? It doesn't seem to conflict with the internal rules of this story's universe.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
It came true after few days:


After six days, Jesus took with him Peter, James, and John his brother, and brought them up into a high mountain by themselves. He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his garments became as white as the light. Behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them talking with him.

Matt. 17:1-3

Nope that isn't it either, try again
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member

Because how does that show Jesus coming in his kingdom.

The disciples were still live to see Jesus rise from the grave after 3 days, to see Jesus coming in his kingdom.

Notice in Matthew 17:9--" And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead"

Therefore after Jesus risen from the grave, all power in heaven and Earth was delivered unto Jesus, Thereby Jesus coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 28:18--"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth"

Here's another question, notice in Matthew 17:9 notice Jesus said
( Until the Son of man be risen again from the dead)
Notice Jesus said ( risen again)
So when was the first time, that Jesus was risen from the dead?

And another question is, Who's the dead?
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
Because how does that show Jesus coming in his kingdom.

The disciples were still live to see Jesus rise from the grave after 3 days, to see Jesus coming in his kingdom.
....
Here's another question, notice in Matthew 17:9 notice Jesus said
( Until the Son of man be risen again from the dead)
Notice Jesus said ( risen again)
So when was the first time, that Jesus was risen from the dead?

And another question is, Who's the dead?

Interesting thing is that the word “again” doesn’t seem to be in original scripture, or for example in WEB translation:


As they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Don't tell anyone what you saw, until the Son of Man has risen from the dead."

Matthew 17:9

And, “coming in his kingdom” is not same as rising from the death. In Matthew 17 some of his disciples saw him as in his kingdom, when his appearance changed.
 
The transfiguration showed that Jesus had God’s approval, and it was a foreview of his future glory and Kingdom power. It also served to fortify Christ for his sufferings and death, while it also comforted his followers and strengthened their faith. The disciples saw, in effect, the “Son of man coming in his kingdom,” just as Jesus had promised a week earlier. (Matthew 16:28) After Jesus’ death, Peter wrote about having “…become eyewitnesses of his magnificence,… while we were with him in the holy mountain.” (2 Peter 1:16-18) It also indicates the future importance of the presence of Christ, when his kingly authority would be complete.
 

Bree

Active Member
In the book of Matthew 16:28, We find Christ Jesus saying ---" Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom"

Any comments about this, how is this to work seeing those people have long been dead and buried.
So how is this to be possible for those people that are standing there to see the Son of man
( Christ Jesus ) coming in his kingdom ?

There is a way that this is possible
But what is it ?

Matthew 17 follows on from this starting....

Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and his brother John along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves.+ 2 And he was transfigured before them; his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant* as the light.+ 3 And look! there appeared to them Moses and E·liʹjah conversing with him. 4 Then Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, it is fine for us to be here. If you wish, I will erect three tents here, one for you, one for Moses, and one for E·liʹjah.” 5 While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud+ said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.+ Listen to him.”+

This vision was seen by the 3 apostles. It was a surety that Jesus would be the head of the heavenly kingdom. They saw a glimps, by means of this vision, of Jesus future role in the heavenly kingdom.

So yes, 'some of those standing here shall not taste death till they see the son of man coming in his kingdom"

 

Elihoenai

Active Member
In the book of Matthew 16:28, We find Christ Jesus saying ---" Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom"

Any comments about this, how is this to work seeing those people have long been dead and buried.
So how is this to be possible for those people that are standing there to see the Son of man
( Christ Jesus ) coming in his kingdom ?

There is a way that this is possible
But what is it ?

This Historical Yeshua/Jesus has never and cannot Save anybody. The Historical Yeshua/Jesus doesn't ask the right questions and certainly won't find the right answers.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
In the book of Matthew 16:28, We find Christ Jesus saying ---" Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom"

Any comments about this, how is this to work seeing those people have long been dead and buried.
So how is this to be possible for those people that are standing there to see the Son of man
( Christ Jesus ) coming in his kingdom ?

There is a way that this is possible
But what is it ?

John leaps to mind. As I recall the story (not in the Bible) Jonn kept not dying when they tried to kill him so they banished him.

There are speculations that he had a wife or other companions who might have had this immortal like state also.
 

Elihoenai

Active Member
Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


The Spiritual/Heavenly Yeshua/Jesus is Rooted in Timelessness and Absolute Certainty. The Earthly Yeshua/Jesus is Rooted in Time and Absolute Uncertainty. Elohim/God is Ruler over the Spiritual and the Earthly through Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ..
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
This Historical Yeshua/Jesus has never and cannot Save anybody. The Historical Yeshua/Jesus doesn't ask the right questions and certainly won't find the right answers.

What questions are you talking about??
It seems you say a lot but give nothing in support of what your saying..
 
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