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Featured Mathematical Proof of God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by loverofhumanity, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Then in what way existence of God (or soul) can be proved? Where is this 'garden of the soul'? And what is this 'divine light'?
     
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    You will have to find these things for yourself, no one else can do it for you.

    However, if you are fortunate you may find a spiritual advisor who can offer you guidance and support. The world's libraries are full of helpful literature and scripture also, much of it from your part of the world.
     
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    No it does not.
     
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    What?
     
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    I disagree.. How can the engineering perspective work outside what is defined by engineering? This question is framed in how the original posted referred to engineering.


    'ie, good for modeling the real world, but not the real world,' Very very confusing.

    Maybe 'good for modeling' but not necessary.

    Infinity is a limited useful concept. Actual infinities have very limited if any usefulness. Potential infinities are conceptionally descriptive and may be useful, but not necessary.

    Interesting article on the subject: http://logic.harvard.edu/EFI_Feferman_InfinityInMathematics.pdf
     
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    This is not mathematical proof brother. This is just providing proof. Every attempt at providing proof does not necessarily have to be mathematical. This is philosophical proof. Logic.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    I don't understand your post.
     
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    WW. Infinity does not prove the existence of God. 1 or any number divided by zero is infinity in mathematics, but that does not mean in reality you can divide something by zero. You cannot just make assumptions like that. Yes. Infinity cannot be observed. Infinity is a calculation, but you can never reach infinity to break down anything, be it reality, time and space or anything. That's a contradiction. If you can reach something, that's not infinity. This is one of the reasons philosophers have been saying the universe has to have had a beginning. Because an infinity cannot exist. Right now, this moment, you are here. Time ends, and begins every moment. There cannot be an infinite past and an infinite future. OUr past has ended this moment, and the future begins. So it's a new moment, every single time. That's a logical reasoning used by philosophers to deny an infinite past.

    That's one of the reasons they believed the universe had a beginning, and then of course there was a creator and blah blah blah. The whole basket of arguments will begin there. So fundamentally it is not infinity that proves the existence of God. It's the non-existence of infinity.

    Cheers.
     
  9. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    See my post #2. In fact the exact opposite of yours statement is the case. An omnipotent god (i.e. infinite power) cannot exist in this universe at the same time as you exist
     
  10. setarcos

    setarcos The hopeful or the hopeless?

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    Your of course not equating the thing approaching with the thing approached correct?
    And of course A thing which can never reach its theoretical destination by the methods that thing is using does not belie the destinations existence.
     
  11. setarcos

    setarcos The hopeful or the hopeless?

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    Unless in fact your existence is sustained by and a manifestation of that Gods infinite power. Is this not correct? How are you defining power, that God, and the finite entity?
     
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    No, but it can be useful to treat them as equal.
    I don't understand this.
     
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    And yet I actually know that the God is a fact. Thus defeating your assertion.
     
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    Infinity (and math) is proof Magick exists silly.

    Not the Gods.
     
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    So do I.

    But she is still right.

    My Gods are a fact too.
     
  16. setarcos

    setarcos The hopeful or the hopeless?

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    Useful yes. Or perhaps it would be better to say adequate for our expectations. However that usefulness does not equate to exactitude and I find that humbling.
    I just meant that I find it interesting that even in mathematics proof is tentative and we often forget that...unless we are trying to prove something to someone else. Also infinity is not proven through experience. It is proven through approach. Like a singularity.
     
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    Where is it proved that V is a phenomenon?
     
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    OK.
     
  19. ChristineM

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    No it's not correct.

    Power is energy expended over time.

    If a god has unlimited power they must utilise infinite energy. If a god takes all the energy there is none left for mass, i.e. you cannot exist if an omnipotent god exists.
     
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  20. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Wrong,...

    You believe, you do not know.

    In the same way i believe that no gods exist
     
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