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Featured Mat Staver: The “Q” in LGBTQ Stands for Pedophilia

Discussion in 'Religious News' started by Skwim, Jul 17, 2019.

  1. Skwim

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    Never heard of this Mat Staver fellow before, but he raises an interesting question about the "Q" in LGBTQ.

    First though is his take on it.

    "Liberty Counsel’s Mat Staver is one of those conservative Christians who routinely ignores the truth to spread whatever lies might help his side.

    Like when he claimed the LGBTQ Equality Act would open the door to pedophilia or how having a fifth conservative on the Supreme Court (which he now has) would lead to the end of abortion and marriage equality within a “few months.”

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    Last week, Staver was on the right-wing radio show Crosstalk to discuss a resolution in California that urges compassion towards LGBTQ people. It asks religious leaders specifically to counsel LGBTQ people “from a place of love” and with the awareness that conversion therapy is harmful.

    But even if religious leaders disagree… that’s (theoretically) fine. There’s no punishment.

    Staver was still furious, claiming this non-binding resolution would “discriminate” against Christians. He also said the Q in LGBTQ meant pedophilia. Because letters aren’t really his thing.

    But Staver went even further, charging that the addition of the “Q” to “LGBT” in the text of the resolution meant that it was promoting a “spectrum” that includes not only those who are homosexual or “gender confused,” but also “minor-attracted individuals” which he described as “somebody who wants to have sexual relationships with someone under the legal age.”
    That’s… not how anything works. Why is legal consent such a hard concept for Christians like him to understand?

    But that’s how Staver operates. When he doesn’t understand things, he just makes up lies because the Christians who take him seriously aren’t smart enough to realize he’s bull****ting them. They fall for the lie when he says it just like they believe it when a pastor says it in church. Meanwhile, talking to actual LGBTQ people is out of the question. Those people have an agenda."
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    Now, if the LGBT community is harboring pedophiles and wants to let it be known in their acronym why would they pick the letter "Q" instead of "P"? Evidently the logic escapes Staver, or, more likely, he doesn't care because he 's ready to hitch his bigotry to whatever horse is handy, which, in this case, happens to be the letter "Q." Ridiculous as it is.

    In any case, just what does the "Q" stand for? Because the question raised my curiosity I decided to look into it a bit and found there is no clear answer. Some believe it stands for "queer," which seems a bit odd in as much as the "L" and "G" already cover queers. Far more likely is the claim that it stands for "Questioning," as in those who haven't committed to their gender identity, but question it.

    What have you heard? . . . . . . . . Oh yes, feel free to take a swing or two at the bigot of the week, Mat Staver. ---------------------------------OR maybe you feel he's right and is worth defending. :rolleyes:


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  2. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    I heard just last week that the "Q" stands for "questioning". Sounds feasible (let's hope it doesn't stand for "Quentin Tarantino fan"...just sayin').
     
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  3. Ellen Brown

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    Long, disappointing history with Christians. Very sad.
     
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    That's not how letters work.
     
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    It usually means "queer" most of the time and has nothing to do with pedophilia. It's a reclaimed word that is mostly used by political types as a protest against heteronormativity and gay assimilation. Basically it has nothing to do with anything outside of the LGBT community and is a result over our own political disputes.

    Queer - Wikipedia
     
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    Saint Frankenstein Deus Lux Mea Est
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    Sometimes it does.
     
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    Oh lord make it rain brains...

    I normally take the Q to mean "queer", i.e. any kind of sexual orientation or gender identity that is neither hetero or cis nor already covered by the other letters (e.g. asexual, pansexual, non-binary, ...). Also intersexuals if the abbreviation is not extended to LGBTQI.

    Sexual orientation ain't the same thing as paraphilias. I'm ace, i.e. attracted to zero genders, and still have a ton of paraphilias. If that guy wants an abbreviation including such he might rather be talking about BDSM ;) And while also in that case there are disagreements over what some letters mean (mainly the S), even there is no pedophilia included.

    I also now and then heard Q standing for questioning, which is also a valid option in order to not exclude people who aren't sure yet whether they are queer or not.
     
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    Just another liar calling himself a Christian. Where is his love for his neighbor which Jesus told him to have? And what about all of the pedophile ministers and priests. It's ok as long as you say that you work for God. He doesn't comment on them. He's probably a closet pedophile. There have been many ministers who have spoken against others then turned out to be exactly whatever they were supposedly against. Once again, another hater looking for people to hate on. LGBTQ+ people are fair game because they are in the minority and because some "Christians" have pulled together to hate them. To me, he epitomizes evil. His hatred shows that evil exists. I don't know if anyone told him that God is non-binary. God is not male or female. Oh oh. I just wrote him at [email protected] to tell him that God is non-binary.
     
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    I thought it's QQ, anyways, it's only 20ish more for a full perversion alphabet!
     
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    Originally, it meant 'questioning' but has been commandeered to mean 'queer'. 'Queer' is meant to be...I'm not entirely sure. Like Saint Frankenstein said, there are many who want to protest assimilation, so anything gay related is labeled queer and anything in between(?).

    It's all a mess. Best to avoid it.
     
  11. Skwim

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    Do you mean that no Christian lies?


    Now that's one I haven't seen, "QQ."

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    In reality, if they lie, they aren't Christians. They lie to say that they are Christians.
     
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    How to avoid it? Either one belongs to one or more of those LGBT+ categories or one doesn't.
     
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    Can we assume then that being a Christian in good standing you've never lied or committed any other sin?

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    Be advised that @Skwim seldom presents a positive picture of Christians.
    We see an endless parade of horribles, so of course they'll look heinous.
    If he treated Muslims the same on RF, there'd be cries for his head on a pike.
    "Racist!" (Now that religion is a race.)
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    LGBT is more of a culture than it is to designate anything. Notice how most people refer to it as the 'lgbt community'? I've known of a lot of gay men who have gone under a self imposed exile from that 'community', and good for them.
     
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    This winner is well known in Florida, and not in a good way.
     
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    Probably just fundamentalist Christians, not mainstream ones.
     
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    I haven't noticed the distinction being made.
    (It can be hard to wade thru epithet laced
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    Well, some people just hate any religious folks, but from my experiences, people don't mind so much the Christian Left, but absolutely hate the Religious Right. I don't have a lot of info on his posts, but I am just trying to give the benefit of the doubt. As far as Staver goes, he's crazy.
     
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