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Featured Masturbation proves many Christians don't believe what they profess

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Moonjuice, Jul 22, 2021.

  1. Moonjuice

    Moonjuice In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
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    Talk about a click-bait style title! I heard this comment once (can't remember where) and thought it was really interesting. I'm speaking specifically to American Christian men & women. No offense to those with other religious beliefs, I just do not know if this will apply to other theology.

    According to "the worlds largest masturbation survey" 92% of American men masturbate. 76% of American women do. That sounds pretty closed to correct based on my experience, though I'd question the honesty of the remaining 8% of men, since that is significantly more than the % of men who are born without hands.

    Roughly 65% of American men claim to be Christian. This means 65% of American men who masturbate, are Christians. Of this group, most (I assume) would claim that their God (or Jesus) is with them all day long. He can and does literally watch what they do at all times. You obviously cannot hide from an all-knowing god. You see where this is going?

    The 92% of males who masturbate, would never, under any circumstances masturbate directly in front of their actual father. Not unless they have some sort of twisted incestual sexual relationship. I suppose I could be wrong here. Maybe everyone else is masturbating in front of their parents, and I'm the only one who finds that thought repulsive.

    So what is more likely; American Christian men do not really masturbate, or the claim that Christians make about honestly believing their God is watching us all at times is not only incorrect, but their actions indicate they don't actually believe it themselves?
     
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  2. Saint Frankenstein

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    Why do you care? Do you spend a lot of time thinking about men masturbating? Why single out Christians in such a crass way? A lot of Christians don't even view it as a sin.
     
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    The majority of Christians just don't care. It's the vocal minority telling us that God watches us at all times.
     
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    Many do it fully in the belief that God is watching and don't care, or don't really believe it to be sinful, or can't resist.
     
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    It's because God is very forbearing, and people take advantage of it. They know his compassion and forgiveness is a lot.

    Yet you are right in that all sins stem from lack of shame from God's sight.

    إِلٰهِي انَا عَبْدٌ اتَنَصَّلُ إِلَيْكَ مِمَّا كُنْتُ اوَاجِهُكَ بِهِ
    ilahi ana `abdun atanassalu ilayka mimma kuntu uwajihuka bihi
    O my God, I am, being Your servant, disowning all that with which I used to face You;

    مِنْ قِلَّةِ ٱسْتِحْيَائِي مِنْ نَظَرِكَ
    min qillati istihya'i min nazarika
    that stemmed from my little shame from your watch,

    وَاطْلُبُ ٱلْعَفْوَ مِنْكَ إِذ ِٱلْعَفْوُ نَعْتٌ لِكَرَمِكَ
    wa atlubu al`afwa minka idh al`afwu na`tun likaramika
    and I am hereby appealing for Your pardon since pardon is one feature of Your generosity.

    إِلٰهِي لَمْ يَكُنْ لِي حَوْلٌ فَانْتَقِلَ بِهِ عَنْ مَعْصِيَتِكَ
    ilahi lam yakun li hawlun fa-antaqila bihi `an ma`siyatika
    O my God, I had no strength by which I would rid myself of the acts of disobedience to You

    إِلاَّ فِي وَقْتٍ ايْقَظْتَنِي لَِمحَبَّتِكَ
    illa fi waqtin ayqaztani limahabbatika
    except after You aroused me to love You



    Part of Munajal Shabanniya taught by Imam Ali (a).
     
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    مِنْ قِلَّةِ ٱسْتِحْيَائِي مِنْ نَظَرِكَ
    From the little shame from your gaze

    This is true of almost all humans, we lack shame from God's sight, because of Satanic delusion and deception pertaining to God.
     
  7. Moonjuice

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    I don't necessarily care, just sharing the data. Seems to me if the data is correct, then it points out something rather interesting. When people profess their beliefs, I guess sometimes they are saying what they think they are supposed to say according to their religion, rather than what they really actually believe? I don't know.
     
  8. Moonjuice

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    It is? I had no idea. That is the second thing I have learned on RF about my own religious upbringing that I was completely off on. I also thought all Christians believed Jesus was god.
     
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    I mean, a lot of Christians in the US are Democrat, too. Not quite the majority, but a lot. You just never hear about them.
     
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    The "sin" bit wasn't even really the point, I don't think. It was whether or not a Christian would feel that they are masturbating right in front of "God's gaze" when they masturbate, and whether or not they would actually feel comfortable doing that - because the claim (in Christianity in particular - maybe why Christianity was singled out) truly is that "God sees all," if I remember correctly.

    For confirmation on your incorrect assumptions made about the OP's subject matter, please attempt to find the word "sin" in the OP.
     
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    That study is from a sex toy company. Not exactly scientific. No, not all men masturbate, especially as they get older.
     
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    I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say anything about sin, either. I just don't see why this subject had to be broached in such a crass way (I did say "crass" in my first post, so that should've been an idea as to where my issue with this is coming from). Besides, most religions believe in beings that "watch over us" somehow, including ancestors. So this is hardly something to pick on Christians in particular about.
     
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    Religion is like a swimming pool. Most of the noise comes from the shallow end. - John Shelby Spong
     
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    Please go back and re-read your post #2. In particular, the very last word. Note that when I replied to you with your post quoted, it is/was there also... permanently. Ba-bam.
     
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    Are we quite sure there is a "deep end?" Personally, I remain unconvinced.
     
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  18. Moonjuice

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    FYI. I singled out Christians because that is my own religious background. I know more about how most Christians believe and less about other religions. Which is exactly why I took the time to apologize to those in other religions (THAT WOULD BE YOU), since I won't know if this applies. Also, even if the % are not accurate, the concept certainly is.
     
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    Hmmm ...
     
  20. Saint Frankenstein

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    I was pointing out that not all Christians even believe it is a sin, so that's one reason why this hardly applies to all Christians. I added that sentence as an afterthought after I made the post.
     
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