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Featured Massive star two and a half MILLION times as bright as sun...vanishes

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by dad, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. dad

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    Naturally, science is clueless as to why.

    "From 2001 to 2011, the light from the galaxy consistently showed evidence that it hosted a 'luminous blue variable' star some 2.5 million times brighter than the Sun. Stars of this type are unstable, showing occasional dramatic shifts in their spectra and brightness. Even with those shifts, luminous blue variables leave specific traces scientists can identify, but they were absent from the data the team collected in 2019, leaving them to wonder what had happened to the star. "It would be highly unusual for such a massive star to disappear without producing a bright supernova explosion," says Allan."

    A cosmic mystery: ESO telescope captures the disappearance of a massive star

    Could it be their theories are wrong?

    Ha
     
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  2. The Hammer

    The Hammer Virtue, Piety, Study
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    Probably not wrong. As the article you mentions and neatly summarizes for me: "Scientists think this could indicate that the star became less bright and partially obscured by dust. An alternative explanation is that the star collapsed into a black hole without producing a supernova." Nothing here screams wrong, only unaccounted for.

    That's the nature of science. It appears to me that you seem to have an issue with uncertainties perhaps?
     
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  3. QuestioningMind

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    What specific theory are you suggesting is wrong? Or are you trying to claim that all scientific theories are wrong?
     
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    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    This has nothing to do with creationism vs evolution except perhaps with the logical fallacy that if a scientific theory has a problem then they all do and therefore they're wrong and rigid creationism is right.
     
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  5. Revoltingest

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    "All models are wrong, but some are useful." - George Box
    (Models = Theories)
     
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    Naturally, science uses anomalous observations to spur investigation and advance science. The anti-science cheerleaders use anomalous observations to validate themselves and justify entrenched ignorance.
     
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  7. Dan From Smithville

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    Uncertainties are the gaps that creationists live in.
     
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  8. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I prefer to think that models are not so much wrong as incomplete --- that's in the very nature of the model, it's not "the thing," it's a scaled-down attempt at depicting "the thing."
     
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  9. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Hihg Intellajence Kwoshunt.
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    But that doesn't sound pithy.
    Mr Box had the gift of gab.
     
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  10. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Yeah, maybe I could have chosen gift of the gab...but I came down on the side of being as precise as I could. Makes me a nerd, but I can live with that.

    Hey, maybe I'm the world's oldest gay nerd! I wonder if that's Guinessable? :p
     
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  11. dad

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    Right, I notice how they grab a few articles of faith from their little theory bag to use to possibly explain one of the most massive stars in the area up and disappearing! The choice they forgot to offer us was 'maybe our whole darn faith based, godless methods of modelling God's creation are wrong'.
     
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    Rather than suggesting some aspect of their belief system were wrong, I asked if possibly it is basically a flawed method of interpreting creation, period. If the standard model and stellar evolution etc are fatally flawed concepts, we we expect predictions and expectations to routinely be in error. We do.
     
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    No. If God created the stars and everything, then the ideas science uses to explain it all would be wrong. He did. They are.
     
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    Name anything that the predictions and claims about the distant universe and BB and stellar evolution gave us, or were of any use anywhere for anything at all?
     
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    Why this thread to come out of the closet?
     
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    "Useful" in the context of scientific theories means predictions verified by testing.
    For example, Newons laws of gravitation turned out to be useful for space travel,
    but not in plotting the precession of Mercury's orbit. General relativity did the job
    for Mercury's orbit. It's also useful for GPS, which would suffer in accuacy without
    adjusting for the different rate of passage of time between satellites & Earth bound
    communication equipment (different gravity levels, ya know).
     
  17. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    You must not have been paying attention. I've been out of the closet for 60 years. And in these forums, since my first day here.
     
  18. dad

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    They use whatever they can to splatter their same old bag of beliefs onto. When they fail in a prediction or have something happen that doesn't fit at all, they simply create exotic scenarios where it possibly could be explained by the usual belief set. Since it takes many year to find out they again were wrong, they can sail along playing the wise man again till the next time.
     
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    That was not the question. The issue is not what goes on in the little Vegas of the area of this solar system. What happens in that Vegas stays in Vegas.

    The question was what actual useful machine or invention or anything at all in the real world here on earth is only due to theories of the BB, or stellar evolution or the cosmological model, etc?
     
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    Ok. So this thread never had the 'honour' Whatever.
     
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