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Mary(pbuh) was a Hermaphrodite!!!

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by benign6, Aug 7, 2007.

  1. benign6

    benign6 New Member

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    A "true hermaphrodite" is a HUMAN condition in which a person has BOTH testicular & ovarian tissue.

    They r called male or female depending on appearence of genetalia.(Which can be very ambiguous at times.)

    Most of times either testes or ovaries r NON-functional.
    BUT sometimes both r functional.

    Experiment on "hermaphrodite" rabbit have proven that they can become pregnant on their own.

    Human cases of automatic pregnancies have been reported.
    a 19-year old female hermaphrodite became pregnant on her own.
    http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/content/abstract/53/3/40s
    another case:-
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2249209&dopt=Citation
    Most probably Mary(peace be upon her) was also a hermaphrodite, by will of GOD.
    So she got pregnant herself. She was NOT carrying SON of God.
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    Verses of Holy Quran give a hint towards this fact:-
    (mother of Mary expected a SON thats why she dedicated him to God)

    [Quran:3:35]"Behold! a woman(Mother of Mary) of 'Imran said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate("MALE" tense used in Arabic) unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things."


    [36] When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and God knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."
    (so mother of Mary thought she was a FEMALE coz of her physical appearance, BUT GOD tells that there was more than that; a hermaphrodite !!!)

    [37] Right graciously did her Lord accept her(Mary): He made her grow in purity and beauty: To the care of Zakariya was she assigned. Every time that he entered (Her) chamber to see her, He found her supplied with sustenance. He said: "O Mary! Whence (comes) this to you?" She said: "From God: for God Provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure."

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    Little bit of medicine(technical):-
    Egg(ovum) r released into "peritoneal cavity" in females. Then "fimbriae" catch that egg into "oviduct".

    Since a "Hermaphrodite" has testicular tissue inside abdomen so "sperms" r also released into abdiminal cavity. & can get caught into "oviduct" along with egg. So a pregnancy starts in a hermaphrodite.
     
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  2. FerventGodSeeker

    FerventGodSeeker Believer

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    It's unfortunate that you can't just admit "It's a miracle" and move on. Instead you need to come up with all these ridiculous assumptions about Mary having male genitalia and impregnating herself to mar the miracle of the Virgin Birth.
     
  3. Mike182

    Mike182 Flaming Queer

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    you know, with Paul ranting about how bad and unnatural gays are, among his other "this is unholy" rants, i think he would have said something if Jesus' mother had both sets of privates.
     
  4. dawny0826

    dawny0826 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.

    Further, posting articles which suggest that hermaphrodites can impregnante themselves doesn't prove that Mary was a hermaphrodite and impregnanted herself.
     
  5. fullyveiled muslimah

    fullyveiled muslimah Evil incarnate!

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    What on earth are you talking baout benign6? Aren't you supposed to be muslim?
     
  6. Jeremiah

    Jeremiah New Member

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    :biglaugh:
     
  7. Buttercup

    Buttercup la vita è bella Premium Member

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    I realize it's gets slow sometimes on RF for threads to respond to.....but this takes the prize for the weirdest-biggest stretch thread for at least this week!
     
  8. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    This is so pathetic...... :thud:
     
  9. Azakel

    Azakel Liebe ist für alle da

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    Now here's your trophy(everyone run)........:monkey::monkey::monkey:
    Agree.
     
  10. Runt

    Runt New Member

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    As far as I can tell, these abstracts both mention the hermaphrodite becoming pregnant, but do NOT mention the hermaphrodite impregnating herself.

    Now, I vaguely recall discussing hermaphroditic conditions in all (measily three) of my biology classes and one of my (measily two) sociology classes, and all of the professors and textbooks mentioning that it is possible for hermaphrodites to carry two completely different sets of somatic DNA (sometimes by "engulfing" a twin extremely early in the course of fetal development and somehow ending up with various organs which, genetically, technically belong to the now non-existent twin despite being fully functional in the remaining adult twin). I seem to recall the genetically-different tissue being located at the center of those individuals, however, so I'm not sure whether it's found in the sex organs...

    I'm wondering if a "true hermaphrodite" is genetically male and female (and how precisely this happens, when all of the "alternate" combinations of sex DNA I know of still produce a male or female child---i.e. with the corresponding sex organs) or merely physically male and female (which, if I recall correctly, occasionally results during fetal development from certain tissues not completely disappearing in genetically-female infants the way they normally do during fetal development).

    I'm also curious about the zygote that would develop in the case of a hermaphrodite somehow impregnating herself. I assume, due to gene recombination, that the zygote would NOT be a perfect clone of the mother, but would instead possess her genes (in a new and creative combination). If she is not genetically a hermaphrodite---if she ONLY has XX chromosomes in her body and no XY---I doubt she is capable of producing a male child... (meaning unless you want to argue that Jesus wasn't truly male, Mary was not that kind of a hermaphrodite).

    Regardless of whether or not that kind of pregnancy is even possible, I think it rather ridiculous to argue that Jesus was born of a hermaphrodite.

    It sounds like Benign is trying to disprove the notion of a divine Christ while at the same time preserving the notion of his virgin birth. Although... for what it's worth...well.... if Mary was a hermaphrodite and impregnated herself, it sounds like a very interesting kind of sex occurred somewhere along the line.... Although I suppose it could just be considered masturbation rather than sex........
     
  11. logician

    logician New Member

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    Don't worry yourself, Mary never existed, and neither did Jesus. Virgin births were common themes in many ancient religions. Of course, true virgin births don't happen amongst homo sapeins.
     
  12. fullyveiled muslimah

    fullyveiled muslimah Evil incarnate!

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    The closest stretch I would try scientifically is the idea of parthenogenesis. Virgin births aren't really as weird as we think. Komodo dragons do it, as well as some species of whip-tail lizards. In true parthenogenesis the female will always birth a male child. In Maryam's case she did in fact birth a male. If we want to go a science route that's the biggest stretch I could plausibly make. There is no need to make her out to be a hermaphrodite. There's nothing wrong with hermaphrodite's I just don't believe Mary was one.
     
  13. Azakel

    Azakel Liebe ist für alle da

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    So Mary was a reptile? That makes everything make sense.....I'm off!:D
     
  14. benign6

    benign6 New Member

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    http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=37455860&postcount=25


    islamic belief is just that Jesus was born miracuously without male intervension. & as i said in previous post
    http://www.christianforums.com/showp...09&postcount=9
    that many things that were MIRACOLOUS in past r well known science NOW.
     
  15. Sahar

    Sahar Read

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    This is ridiculous!!
     
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  16. Blindinglight

    Blindinglight Disciple of Chaos

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    There are plenty of hermaphrodite species found in nature. A very common one is a worm. A true hermaphrodite does not have to be human.
     
  17. ChristineES

    ChristineES Tiggerism Staff Member Premium Member

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    If nothing else, at least it gave us a good laugh.
     
  18. goraya15

    goraya15 New Member

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    I don't know why this is so funny for everyone or so unbelievable to others. I believe someone summed it up in a post before that whatever seemed to be a miracle in the past, is proved by science in the future. A miracle is just God manipulating preset Laws of Nature in favour of his chosen servants, Laws that humans don't necessarily know about. It is perfectly possible that Mary was a hermaphrodite, since it is also a documented anomoly in human history. Is it still not a miracle that, if she was a hermaphrodite, that she was able to produce a perfectly healthy child without the agency of a man, and that man grew to be a prophet of God?

    Besides, even if she wasn't a hermaphrodite, I'm sure science will be able to hypothesize about a dozen other ways she was able to get pregnant without a man that would at that time seem like a true miracle. In my eyes, even if proved by science, it is still a miracle. What are the chances of a virgin birth with the son becoming a prophet of God?
     
  19. Sahar

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    The cases that you cited don't have anything to do with "automatic" or "on their own" pregnancy. What happened that they have ovaries with normal ovulation and have normal uterus. They got pregnant when their ova were fertilized by sperms like what happens with any normal female.
     
  20. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I told you that 'shrooms would mess up your brain.
     
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