Mary is the most important figure in Christianity

[Estro Felino]

We Catholics are often accused of worshiping Mary as a divinity.
Mary was not a divinity: she was the daughter of two normal people. So she was human. But she is the protagonist of Christianity because it was her who erased sin from human nature, that is, in her heart.
She "challenged" God because she wanted to show him that a human being can be sinless and pure. And she was sinless and pure.

But not because God had made her sinless (impossible, there is the free will)
She, with her free will decided to be sinless. Because she conceived sin as incompatible with human nature. That's how she was able to incarnate God. (Immaculate conception)

Because God and her became one only thing.

This woman saw Mary when she was seven and she told her all these things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAqP4sNbwE

 

[Mycroft]

mary was a means to an end in a society where women are 2nd class citizens. If men had been able to give birth, you can be sure that it would have been the Virgin Maurice and not the virgin mary.

 

[Phil25]

We Catholics are often accused of worshiping Mary as a divinity.
Mary was not a divinity: she was the daughter of two normal people. So she was human. But she is the protagonist of Christianity because it was her who erased sin from human nature, that is, in her heart.
She "challenged" God because she wanted to show him that a human being can be sinless and pure. And she was sinless and pure.

But not because God had made her sinless (impossible, there is the free will)
She, with her free will decided to be sinless. Because she conceived sin as incompatible with human nature. That's how she was able to incarnate God. (Immaculate conception)

Because God and her became one only thing.

This woman saw Mary when she was seven and she told her all these things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAqP4sNbwE

We Orthodox Christians believe that Only God can be sinless. Mary was definitely a human, so she has sinned.

 

[Estro Felino]

We Orthodox Christians believe that Only God can be sinless. Mary was definitely a human, so she has sinned.

Do you think it is impossible to be sinless?

 

[Sleeppy]

mary was a means to an end in a society where women are 2nd class citizens. If men had been able to give birth, you can be sure that it would have been the Virgin Maurice and not the virgin mary.

You keep saying this, but it's pretty ridiculous, and unfounded. If they wanted to drop Jesus out of the sky, or have him materialize from the dirt, they could have. If they wanted a man to become pregnant, or have Jesus constructed from Joseph's rib, they could have written any of these things. -- Human women don't have virgin births, and yet Jesus is said to be born of a virgin. What makes you think men not being able to give birth prevented them from having a man give birth?

 

[outhouse]

Mary is the most important figure in Christianity

No, she factually is not.

god is.

Sort of another inane thread.

 

[Pastek]

She "challenged" God because she wanted to show him that a human being can be sinless and pure. And she was sinless and pure.

But not because God had made her sinless (impossible, there is the free will)
She, with her free will decided to be sinless. Because she conceived sin as incompatible with human nature. That's how she was able to incarnate God. (Immaculate conception)

Do you have a testimony from Mary saying all those things ?

Those are just speculations.

 

[Phil25]

Do you think it is impossible to be sinless?

Yes, even the slight disobedience of God's law is a sin, no matter how small it is. Heck even saying I am sinless, is a sin as this is a title only for God.

 

[outhouse]

Do you have a testimony from Mary saying all those things ?

Those are just speculations.

While true.

The same is for muhammad, its all speculation.

 

[Phil25]

Mary is not the most important figure in Christianity, Christ is. There is a reason its not called Marianity but Christianity

 

[Estro Felino]

Mary is not the most important figure in Christianity, Christ is. There is a reason its not called Marianity but Christianity

Christ's DNA was 100 % Mary's DNA. So I can't see any difference between God and Mary. It's like they were the same person.
And Mary was the best of the teachers for Jesus.

Besides, you may say that Jesus is important because he sacrificed himself on the Cross.
I am Pelagian...so I don't think it was a sacrifice. Just a murder

 

[Mycroft]

You keep saying this, but it's pretty ridiculous, and unfounded. If they wanted to drop Jesus out of the sky, or have him materialize from the dirt, they could have. If they wanted a man to become pregnant, or have Jesus constructed from Joseph's rib, they could have written any of these things. -- Human women don't have virgin births, and yet Jesus is said to be born of a virgin. What makes you think men not being able to give birth prevented them from having a man give birth?

Every other important figure in the bible is a man. god, jesus, the discples, the apostles, moses, joseph, everyone. Except mary. What is the difference? Women can give birth.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

We Orthodox Christians believe that Only God can be sinless. Mary was definitely a human, so she has sinned.

Then you aren't really an Orthodox Christian. Real Orthodox Christians believe Mary was sinless. She is taught have been born with the capacity to sin like all human beings but she is thought to be Immaculate within Orthodox Christianity

I can say, in short, that the Orthodox Church believes that Mary, as a human being, could indeed have sinned, but chose not to.


Source.

 

[Sleeppy]

Every other important figure in the bible is a man. god, jesus, the discples, the apostles, moses, joseph, everyone. Except mary. What is the difference? Women can give birth.

Not true. There are important women in the Tanakh. If you need to refresh your knowledge of those female figures, I'd suggest the Judaism DIR.. Or Google.

 

[outhouse]

Christ's DNA was 100 % Mary's DNA.

:biglaugh:


Stop it.

Dont mix mythology and science like that.

Start substantiating what you state.

 

[outhouse]

but she is thought to be Immaculate within Orthodox Christianity

Bible states she had other children.

Define immaculate

 

[Estro Felino]

:biglaugh:


Stop it.

Dont mix mythology and science like that.

Start substantiating what you state.

Sir, I'm free to believe in miracles. Miracles happen, but you are free not to believe them. There is a woman without irides, but she can see.
And Mary conceived a child without a man

 

[outhouse]

Sir, I'm free to believe in miracles.

Sure.

Miracles happen

Percieved only.

Anything supernatural cannot be substantiated as ever REALLY happening in reality.

There is a woman without irides, but she can see.

:biglaugh:

Not perfect she cannot.

And Mary conceived a child without a man

Due to your ignorance I will explain.

SHE is "said to" have been born. That does not mean it is real. Literary creations are not all substantiated.

We know the authors made purposeful translation errors to the Hebrew word "Maiden" which does not mean virgin.

 

[Phil25]

Then you aren't really an Orthodox Christian. Real Orthodox Christians believe Mary was sinless. She is taught have been born with the capacity to sin like all human beings but she is thought to be Immaculate within Orthodox Christianity

I am a Syrian Orthodox Christian which is part of Oriental Orthodoxy rather than Eastern Orthodoxy (Orthodox Church in America is Eastern Orthodox). We, Oriental Orthodox Christians (Armenian, Syrian, Ethiopian, Egyptian Coptic etc.) broke away from Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox at the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451. In fact Eastern Orthodox Churches and Roman Catholic Church are closer to each other in many beliefs than Eastern Orthodox Churches and Oriental Orthodox Churches. Thus many of our(Oriental Orthodox) beliefs are vastly different from what Eastern Orthodox Church teaches.

Council of Chalcedon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oriental Orthodoxy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Eastern Orthodox Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

She's the second most important person in Christianity. She was sinless through the grace of God, Who made her free from Original Sin in the womb.