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Martial Arts

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ronki23, Sep 19, 2021.

  1. ronki23

    ronki23 Well-Known Member

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    I have studied: kickboxing (2005-2011, 2014-2015), judo (2011-2012, 2014-2017), wrestling (2011-2013) and Goshin Ryu Ju Jitsu (2010-2017).

    The fighting you see in movies and what they teach in Krav Maga, Systema, Silat; Kali and Esckrima is close quarters and ugly. Fingers in the eyes, groin strikes, knife and gun defence.



    However, in MMA (sport fighting) you see longer range fighting of punches and kicks which then lead to throws and takedowns and grappling. MMA includes (but isn't limited to) boxing, wrestling, Muay Thai, Brazilian Ju Jitsu and judo



    I don't agree that many techniques for the street are too deadly for the cage and are the reason you can't use them; I personally think reality based martial arts lack sparring and conditioning.

    Don't really get why movies show fighting that isn't as visually appealing nor as effective as MMA / sport fighting.
     
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    Movies have to appeal to the masses. That means that they will lean more towards spectacle than practical.

    As to MMA there are some very easy and practical techniques that are banned for good reason. In many of the take down moves the person shooting in is wide open to an elbow strike to the top or back of the head. This could easily lead to severe injury. That is the number one opening that I can usually see.

    And sport karate tries to eliminate almost any damage these days limiting it even more. And don't get me started on Olympic Tae Kwon Do.
     
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    If the fights in my kind of martial arts (swordplay) were realistic they'd all look like Samurai duels. Two or three moves, max, and the fight is over.
     
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  4. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I once got into serious problems because i couldn't defend myself. Positive it would never happen again i took instruction in unarmed combat. Its not pretty, it won't win prizes for style but it will ensure i have a good chance of walking away from my attacker.
     
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    Is that also Brexit and the Tories' fault ?
     
  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Wouldn't you like to know?
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Tis good when martial arts includes firearm skills.
    They're no less an "art" than unarmed versions.
     
  8. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I took up American karate. Then I really learned how to fight in the military.

    MMA is probably the closest to the real thing and would be the best to learn for the real world.
     
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    In a real fight one needs to be willing to chuck all of the rules of one's martial arts out of the window. But I do agree that MMA is probably more efficient at training people in real fighting than other arts. For example I am too old to kick people in the head, but that might never have been a good street technique. The knees are relatively low and just asking to be taken out in almost all street fights And up close one can do an amazing amount of damage with the elbows that is not allowed in MMA.
     
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  10. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Hence unarmed combat opposed to martial arts. No rules to follow, just put your attacker down any way you can and walk away.
     
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    One more point. Actors quite often do not know the martial arts that they are portraying at all. You can cover up a lot with close ups and jump cuts. In a movie with a real martial artist there will still be quite a few cuts, but the camera is often further back so that one can see all of he action as you can in an MMA match, and there will be more than just one or two techniques in a cut.

    Every time you see a cut the actors can reposition and themselves. Their techniques never throw them off balance though many probably would. in real life.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Agree.

    Im too old as well. Best for me probably would be Tai Chi at my stage of life, but I keep a few easier street techniques just in case, which thankfully, never needed to use.

    If I did, my fight probably would go something like this....




    *Grin*
     
  13. ronki23

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    What I'm trying to say is that styles like Krav Maga, Systema, Marine Martial Arts that claim to be too deadly for the cage don't really let you practice by sparring.

    And if the more effective stuff CAN be used in the cage and looks better on screen then why don't movies show it ?
     
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    When they teach you kata or poomsae they're stringing together a combination of techniques

    I don't know what the Chinese and the Koreans call it but in Japanese it's called bunkai when they take out and focus on certain parts of the kata.

    If I'm not mistaken when I did Ju Jitsu we learned how to defend against strikes and grabs and I believe that's the bunkai.

    My first kickboxing club taught us frivolous forms and even in judo I saw no benefit of doing kata. Once you learn bunkai that's even less of a reason to learn kata because it's like getting the answer to the equation before doing the equation itself
     
  16. Wu Wei

    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

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    I've trained various martial arts for 49 years (Japanese, Korean, Chinese and other), forms have their place, they are not meant to teach you ho a fight is going to go...... and I am not going to get into a my martial arts is better than your martial arts discussion here
     
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    I like competitive fighting because it takes out the frills of traditional martial arts. In hindsight, doing an hour a week of Japanese Ju Jitsu wasn't really going to benefit me because we were practising slowly how to defend and counter. Its not bad but its more beneficial me doing kickboxing and judo instead.

    I'd rather have done

    a 3 day split of Tuesday (kickboxing), Thursday (judo) and Friday (judo)

    or a 4 day split of Sunday (judo), Tuesday (kickboxing), Thursday (judo) and Friday (kickboxing)

    Unfortunately I didn't get to do MMA (kickboxing and judo) but I did get halfway to black belt in traditional ju jitsu which is on Wednesdays
     
  18. ronki23

    ronki23 Well-Known Member

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    Judging by your name you're Chinese ?

    I did China in 2011.

    I'm still dreaming to see Japan and South Korea.

    Never been to Taiwan or Hong Kong though
     
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    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

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    Nope, not Chinese, but the Mrs is
     
  20. ronki23

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    In hindsight I don't think I'd have got to do MMA as I left the judo and ju jitsu association on bad terms and if I'm not mistaken I was only doing MMA on Wednesdays/ Thursdays or Thursdays/Fridays (don't remember) and that was barely 3 hours of practice a week - financially it was expensive travelling 30 miles each way 2x a week so I wouldn't have got enough practice in
     
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