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Mark of the Beast

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by TheTruthWillSetUFree, Mar 20, 2006.

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    Elaboration: Men and women of a particular religion wishing to identify themselves to one another often do so by wearing distinctive religious symbols. Often these are blessed in their temples, churches or synagogues. Christians wear a cross on a necklace. Jewish boys wear small leather cases that hold scriptural passages, and the round cap called yarmulka. Sikh men wear their hair in a turban. In many countries, Muslim women cover their head with a scarf, called hajib.

    Do not be ashamed to wear the bindi on your forehead in the United States, Canada, Europe or any country of the world. Wear it proudly. The forehead dot will distinguish you from all other people as a very special person, a Hindu, a knower of eternal truths. You will never be mistaken as belonging to another nationality or religion. The sacred forehead dot is an easy way of distinguishing Hindus from Muslims. And don't be intimidated when people ask you what the dot means. Now you have lots of information to give a good answer, which will probably lead to more questions about your venerable religion.

    For both boys and girls, men and women, the dot can be small or large depending on the circumstance, but should always be there when appropriate. Naturally, we don't want to flaunt our religion in the face of others. We observe that many Christian men and women take off or conceal their crosses in the corporate business world. Some communities and institutions disallow wearing religious symbols entirely.
     
  2. FFH

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    The mark on Shiva's forhead is a "Third Eye", which is represented on the dollar bill, at head of the pyramid.
     
  3. TheTruthWillSetUFree

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    In order to avoid all mistakes of identity, it would be well first to consider the nine characteristic marks described in the prophecy itself. These marks of identity will enable us to be absolutely sure of the interpretation. We dare not guess or speculate concerning the historical identity of this "little horn" of prophecy.
    First of all, the little horn came up among the ten. This places it geographically in western Europe. Second, it came up after the ten arose, because it came up "among them." Since the ten arose in 476 A.D., the little horn would have to begin its reign some time after that date. Third, it would uproot three of the ten tribes as it came to power. The eighth verse says that before the little horn, "there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots."
    Fourth, the little horn would have "eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things." Verse 8. This indicates that a human being would be at the head of the power represented by the little horn. Fifth, "he shall be diverse from the first (horns)." Verse 24. This means that the little horn would be a different kind of power from those purely political kingdoms which preceded it. The sixth characteristic is revealed in the first part of verse twenty-five, "And he shall speak great words against the most High." Another verse says, "speaking great things and blasphemies." Revelation 13:5.
    At this point let's define from the Bible the meaning of blasphemy. In John 10:30-33, Jesus was about to be stoned for claiming to be one with the Father. The Jews who were going to kill Him said, "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." According to this text it is blasphemy for a man to be accorded the place of God.
    Now let's read another definition of blasphemy. Jesus had forgiven a man his sins, and the scribes said, "Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?" Mark 2:7. Clearly, Jesus was not a blasphemer, because He was God and He was able to forgive sin. But for a man to make such claims would constitute blasphemy, according to the Bible's own definition. Now we come to the seventh point of identity, found also in verse twenty-five, "and shall wear out the saints of the most High." This tells us that the little horn is a persecuting power. It will make war with God's people and cause them to be put to death. The eighth mark is also given in verse twenty-five, "and think to change times and laws." Apparently, in its bitter opposition to the God of Heaven, in speaking great words against Him, this power also seeks to change the great law of God. This move of the little horn could only be an attempt to make a change. Obviously, the moral law of God can never be altered by man
     
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    yes, and it also symbolizes the eye of ra. the masons love these things. that doesn't make it 'satanic'.

    the masons are scary, sure, but that's another story.
     
  5. Adstar

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    Hi Nutshell :hug:

    Well i do believe that the Mark of the beast is the final stone in the computer based financial system that has been under construction over the past 30 years. It would have been to dramatic and two expensive to put the system into practice all at once. The powers that be needed to slowly introduce the concept of a cashless society one step at a time. Now that developed nation have installed a viable cashless system of payments and trade, it is totally illogical to keep both the cash system and electronic system running in parallel. Cash cost money to handle transport and store. Keeping a cash system when a cashless system is available is economically inefficient.

    I do not believe that mark of the beast will be forced on to people who refuse it due to their faith in God. A closer reading of the scriptures gives us an idea as to why.

    Revelation 13
    11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    Note that the scripture first says that those who will not worship the image of the beast will be executed before it says that people will be requiored to receive the mark of the beast.

    Could it be that only those who worship the image will be considered worthy enough to have the benefit of receiving the Mark? While everyone who refuses to worship the image will never be allowed to receive the Mark. What better way to test people loyalty then to only give them what they need to survive after they have worshiped the image? Think of the Mark of the beast as a reward for worshiping the beast. And of course being executed is the reward for refusing to worship the image of the beast.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
  6. Nehustan

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    The 'Shiva' cult/influence has a long history in christianity. At my state school (which I attending for a while before I was sent Private) we sang a 'hymn' that directly references Shiva as the 'Lord of the Dance' and draws analogy with Jesus...

    Verse 1:
    I danced in the morning when the world was begun,
    And I danced in the moon and the stars and the sun.
    And I came down from heaven and I danced on the earth;
    At Bethlehem I had My birth.

    CHORUS
    Dance, then, wherever you may be;
    I am the Lord of the Dance said He,
    And I'll lead you all, wherever you may be,
    And I'll lead you all in the dance, said He.

    Verse 2:
    I danced for the scribe and the Pharisee,
    but they would not dance and they would not follow Me
    I danced for the fishermen, for James and John;
    They came with Me and the dance went on.

    CHORUS

    Verse 3:
    I danced on the Sabbath and I cured the lame;
    the holy people said it was a shame.
    They whipped and they stripped and they hung me high
    And left Me there on a cross to die.

    CHORUS

    Verse 4:
    I danced on a Friday when the sky turned black;
    It's hard to dance with the devil on your back.
    They buried my body and they thought I'd gone;
    But I am the dance and I still go on.

    CHORUS

    Verse 5:
    They Cut Me down and I leap up high;
    I am the life that will never, never die.
    I'll live in you if you'll live in Me:
    I am the Lord of the Dance, said He.

    CHORUS


    Words and Music adaptation by Sydney Carter Words & Music © 1963 Stainer & Bell Ltd.



    It surely cannot also be missed is the similarity to the greeting sign of 'Hinduism' made with the greeting 'namaste' and the traditional prayer stance.

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    The aryan influence on Christianity is and established.

     
  7. Adstar

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    i would like to comment on the year 2000. Someone in this thread has mentioned the year 2000 and how it was a flop in prophetic terms.

    The focus on the year 2000 by many prophesy "commentators" was of course misinformed. Although the concept of 2000 year "time of the gentiles" does have some biblical support. They made a number of errors in its interpretation, the misconceptions where:

    1)That the year 2000 was the 2000 years after the birth of the Messiah Jesus. Most biblical scholars know only to well that Jesus was not born in 1AD and they also know that there was never a year 0. Most researchers agree that Jesus was born before the year 1 AD most researchers give a date between 2 bc and 5 bc. So the year 2000 was not the 2000 anniversary of the Messiah's Birth.

    2)That the 2000 year should be calculated from the birth of the Messiah Jesus. The most important date that should be the start of the calculation is Not the birth of Jesus but the start of the time of the gentiles, This should be calculated from the Death/ resurrection of the Messiah. So if Jesus was born around 5BC he would have been executed around the year 28 AD So the 2000 year anniversary should be calculated from His execution. hat would be somewhere around 2028 AD.

    3) The bible uses a biblical year. the Jews where given a very accurate calendar by God. Better than the Gregorian that we use today. Therefore the 2000 years should be calculated in biblical years not in a Gregorian / Julian year combination.

    So i believe that The Messiah will return 2000 biblical years after either the date of His death or the date of His resurrection or maybe even His ascension into heaven. Maybe even the day of Pentecost? As we do not know the actual date of His death the Bible statement that no one will know the day or hour is still true. But as the bible also states:

    1 Thessalonians 5

    The Day of the Lord

    1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.

    We will not know the hour or the day but the brethren will know the times.


    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
     
  8. James the Persian

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    Nehustan,

    Both your hymn and your traditional prayer position which you claim are Shiva cult influenced are peculiar to western Christianity. Eastern Christians do not sing such hymns and our traditional position of prayer is to stand with the hands raised up towards heaven (apart, not held together as in the west) or, sometimes prostrate, rather like Muslims. If these really are examples of Shiva cult influences on Christianity (rather than the pure coincidence that I suspect them to be) then how do you explain their arrival in the west without leaving any trace on the east? We are, after all, between India and western Europe, so you'd expect such influences to pass through us.

    James
     
  9. may

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    i like that thought about a purifer, when God sorts the bad from the good, it will be the best purifer, only the righetous will be left over
    But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men. 2 peter3;7 notice only the ungodly will be destroyed
    Ps. 37:9, 11: "Those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth. . . . The meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.................. yes Jehovah is the great purifer
     
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    This is way more effective than Jehovah:

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    It is interesting that Brussels, Belgium has remained on the forefront of computer technology--possessing for decades vast computers (one originally nicknamed "the beast" for its massive size which covered several city blocks) which are able to hold information on billions of individuals. More recently, Belgium has aspirations for (and--according to Newsweek--will have by 1997) a massive super-computer able to process 1 trillion pieces of information per second.

    They are also calling it the "BEAST"--an acronym for "Belgian Electronic Accounting Surveillance Terminal".(‘Accounting Surveillance’ are the two words which really jump out!) They seem to have an affinity for that name.
     
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    I think in this matter and the influence of the Asian subcontinent on Western (and Northern) Europe I would be tempted to site the common origin of language with Tuetonic Languages be them Old English or German itself (and perhaps some Scandinavian Languages) being conidered Indo-European. I have to say that now being Muslim I am tended to put my head to the ground in prayer, and even in our school we were more inclined to lock our fingers rather than making the Ayran gesture.
     
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    The Scripture injunction we should heed most is that which warns us against worshipping the BEAST. Consider these sobering facts. All who worship the beast will forfeit the precious experience of eternal life with Jesus in a glorious new world (Revelation 13:8). They will be inflicted with the extremely painful and fearsome seven last plagues (Revelation 16:2). And finally, they will suffer utter destruction in the fires of hell (Revelation 14:9-11). Without question, we do not want to be found worshipping the beast in the days to come.
    But what assures us we will not be in this group? Mind you, it is NO SMALL GROUP Revelation 13:3 says that "all the world wondered after the beast." Although helpful, mere knowledge of the beast's identity will not guarantee escape. Judas knew Jesus was the Messiah, yet he betrayed Him. Likewise, many of those who understand last-day prophecies will ultimately find themselves on the side of the beast. Knowledge definitely isn't enough. So how can we be on the winning side when all the dust settles? Who will worship the beast? And what can we do now to keep from being part of that group.
     
  14. The Grey Wolf

    The Grey Wolf ehT daM s'doG daM goD

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    THE PYRAMID IS THE EYE OF RA!!! IT IS A FREE MASON SYMBOL!!! IT IS EGYPTION!!! NOT INDIAN!!! Now do I have to keep yelling or are we clear?

    To be abundantly clear, The Free Masons were a sectret organazation for the elite of society. They are still around just slightly less secret. Im not sure if their doctrine has changed, though...:help:
     
  15. Nehustan

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    Actually you are quite wrong, what is today called Freemasonry was very much an ordinary man's fraternity, with the Aristocrats and middle classes coming into the organisation in the majority of cases much later. Of course one can cite the knightly orders as being one of the foundations of Freemasonry which obviously hand an inherent link to the Gentry and Noble classes. However trade guilds and companies were a powerbase for the masonic order, hardly the most elite of pursuits.
     
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    That's because Belgians are beasts! In bed :flirt:
     
  17. Nehustan

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    Let me tell you....667 is the neighbour of the beast.
     
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    i think to be no part of the beast we would have to do what Jesus told his followers to do , and that would be.......... to be no part of the world and to also obey God as ruler rather than men
    "They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world."—JOHN 17:16.
     
  19. TheTruthWillSetUFree

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    Very good my Brother
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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