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Marjorie Taylor Greene hit with third fine for not wearing mask on House floor

We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Subduction Zone said:
The article points out that he is an idiot. At least if he claims to be a health care worker he is one. They should know better than this:


"For me to wear a mask defies the efficacy and purpose of a mask and sends an untruthful message that I am susceptible to infection or could transmit it,”

New variants are appearing all of the time. Two things happen as time goes on. A persons immunity drops. Some faster than others. And age is a factor. And one is less immune against new variants than the version that one had.

AAAS

They could become more common over the next couple of months if early cases begin to lose their immunity. Reinfections with the four coronaviruses that cause the common cold occur after an average of 12 months, a team led by virologist Lia van der Hoek at Amsterdam University Medical Center recently showed. Van der Hoek thinks COVID-19 may follow that pattern: "I think we'd better prepare for a wave of reinfections over the coming months." That's "bad news for those who still believe in herd immunity through natural infections," she adds, and a worrisome sign for vaccines.
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"And one is less immune against new variants than the version that one hadv

Not true, at least with the Delta variant. .

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections


The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.

Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine—but vaccination remains vital
 
Valjean

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
Good. It's a stand for personal freedom of choice and she's complying with the mandate in the process unless she's refuses to pay the fines.
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No, it's a stand for anti-socialism. To judge from from comparative, anti-masking percentages, the conservative Right is a very selfish and anti-social demographic.
It should be enough to just have her temp quickly tested that she's not running a fever, and answering a few health questions.
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A needlessly complex Rube Goldberg, and, medically, not likely to be very effective, since many infected actively shed viruses while asymptomatic.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Revoltingest said:
I oppose government having the power
to enforce unsafe workplaces in the name of
"personal choice" or "religious exemption" for
those foolish snowflakes who won't vaccinate.
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Under normal circumstances, a few decades with OSHA I don't think the government would get away with doing away with it and allowing employers to have excessively unsafe work conditions as a part of the way business is done.
I assume anyone in favor of such a thing is a thing is a dogmatic Miltonian Libertarian or employer who already is not compliant with OSHA.
I do believe a deadly epidemic should definitely fall under OSHA authority and jurisdiction.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Under normal circumstances, a few decades with OSHA I don't think the government would get away with doing away with it and allowing employers to have excessively unsafe work conditions as a part of the way business is done.
I assume anyone in favor of such a thing is a thing is a dogmatic Miltonian Libertarian or employer who already is not compliant with OSHA.
I do believe a deadly epidemic should definitely fall under OSHA authority and jurisdiction.
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This dogmatic Miltionian Libertarian sees OSHA as useful
regulation. (Although it's also rife with much useless
over-regulation. It could be improved.) Basic health &
safety (when reasonable) doesn't really interfere with
the means of production. Many companies have safety
protocols that exceed what the law requires. Menards
required masks in the stores before the state did.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
ElishaElijah said:
Well people in government are hypocritical about mask wearing… Here is one example of many:
Rep. Rashida Tlaib Admits Her Mask Is All Theater
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Of course. Remember AOC dancing outside the Capitol no less and having fun in a group without a mask and when it was announced the camaras would be there for the propaganda, she suddenly put it on and when it was over she took off the mask again.

 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
We Never Know said:
Tell that to Biden.

"Seemingly unconcerned with social etiquette during a pandemic, President Joe Biden appeared to cough or clear his throat, with his hand raised to his mouth, before shaking hands with audience members following a New Jersey speaking event Monday.

The 78-year-old president, who was maskless, walked off the stage and greeted a line of people, shaking their hands and pulling one individual in close for words, video shows. Biden was in the Garden State to discuss his Build Back Better agenda and the bipartisan infrastructure deal."

Maskless Biden appears to cough or clear throat in hand before meet and greet
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Maybe someday they will fess up to the truth of the matter.

For now it proves beyond a doubt it's all political and not actually medical urgency at play here.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Subduction Zone said:
This is just about insane. you do not seem to understand rights. One has a right not to wear a mask. One does not have a right not to wear a mask when around other people. Do you need it explained again?
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Your just biased because people don't see it your way.

I see it as rights and preservation of liberty and freedom.

You don't.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Twilight Hue said:
Not when it crosses lines. That's where the brakes need to be applied.[/QUOTE


Your loss if it's someone valuable and has skills hardly no one else possesses and cannot be replaced easily.

Like a person working at Moog. Top level clearances. Rocket science types.
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No one is irreplaceable including those that will not comply with rules or die of covid...

F
 
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Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Twilight Hue said:
It also dosent force people to take medicine in the name of safety as a requirement.
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Vaccines I have researched but it's possible it does for certain industries. But even without many employers, especially in healthcare, already have vaccine mandates. Public schools already have a vaccine mandate.
The basis of the social contract is we give up some freedoms and living in a natural state to live in an organized and stable society.
Vaccines have a stellar record of keeping people safe, including those who cannot be vaccinated for legit medical reasons.
 
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