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Marijuana - Is it truly evil?
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
As are toadstools, opium, various toxic wild berries, and other things that are bad/deadly to us. Myself, I don't use the natural argument for that reason.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend J,
1. Since they say everything is God then Marijuana too is God.
2. In existence everything is good/bad depending on how humans use it.
3. Marijuana has been used to still the mind [meditation] by meditators in the Indian
sub-continent since centuries.
4. No disease has been known to develop by its usage like cancer with the use of
tobacco.
5. Personally using it for a few years on a regular basis found no problem in stopping
its use and could do so instantly.
Love & rgds
Kindly tell those who preach it, do so wrongly.
1. Since they say everything is God then Marijuana too is God.
2. In existence everything is good/bad depending on how humans use it.
3. Marijuana has been used to still the mind [meditation] by meditators in the Indian
sub-continent since centuries.
4. No disease has been known to develop by its usage like cancer with the use of
tobacco.
5. Personally using it for a few years on a regular basis found no problem in stopping
its use and could do so instantly.
Love & rgds
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
I should like to mention, though I imagine (hope) it's been said already (no patience to go through all 9 pages), that marijuana itself isn't the problem, but the fact that it is illegal.
If a country passed a law saying that Pringles are illegal, the production, distribution, and consumption of Pringles would be illegal to one degree or another.
Could it be said that Pringles are evil? Or is it sufficient to understand that the thing itself isn't evil, only the law prohibiting it is?
You can bake it into baked goods, brew it in a tea, vaporize it.I have never smoked it or anything else, and I have no intentions to suck on the end of something burning, so the only comment I can make on whether it's bad for me is that mankind has known since the caveman days that breathing smoke was bad for people. Beats me why anyone has purposely done it since.
Also, consider this (regarding smoking)
Given equal amounts of weed and tobacco, you would never have anybody smoke as many joints as you have people smoking cigarettes.
The euphoric effects of weed last longer, weed can hardly be said to be addictive, if it is at all, and people are more willing to share a joint or a blunt. So, over the course of usage, the weed smoker isn't doing nearly the amount of smoking related damage to himself as cigarette smokers are.
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
Noaidi
slow walker
You missed my point. Toxic plants and fungi are not intrinsically 'bad'.
Wombat
Active Member
Please put the splifs and bongs down for a moment and read and consider.
It is >not< about the substance-Cannabis...it is about the diversity and vulnerability of human biochemistry. One person can smoke dope heavily for decades and come out ok...another can smoke moderately and briefly and have adverse effects.
It is Chemical Russian Roulette and >nobody< knows which way it will pan out for them.
Not "evil" but very risky for some and you never know who.
2005 The Royal College of Psychiatrists
Cannabis-induced psychosis and subsequent schizophrenia-spectrum disorders: follow-up study of 535 incident cases
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/187/6/510
Cannabis-Induced Psychosis
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/10826087109057790
Cannabis-induced psychosis: a cross-sectional comparison with acute schizophrenia
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1034/j.1600-0447.2002.1o079.x/full
Jacksnyte
Reverend
The same could be said of just about any food, drink, clothing, hair product, anti-itch cream, etc. We know what THC does to the human body. Some people might have allergies, or may not be mentally able to handle the effects, but that is a silly reason to ban something outright!
I oppose recreational drug use as a matter of course. I can't figure for the life of me why anyone would intentionally jeopardize one's own mental clarity.
horizon_mj1
Well-Known Member
What I honestly do not understand at all is that a plant is illegal (as mentioned earlier, a plant). Another thing I do not understand is why people are so willing to take a drug prescribed by their doctor that has several more side effects than that of a "natural" alternative that has less side effects and works just as well if not better. People need to wake up. For nearly ever ailment there is, there are natural alternatives. Granted few studies have been done, but they should be. Why does humanity always think they can do things better with synthetic technologies, when if they implement the biologies toward things already in existence, they may have the ability to truly do something. The laws making marijuana is a direct slap in the face to not only nature, but also creation; I guess people just think they know better and are happier when they can tell others what to do and how to live their lives. Legal alternatives are now being complained about because they are synthetic, so allow the natural be legalized; these are the control freaks who choose to make such statements. Instead of making things right and doing studies that can determine the benefits of natural remedies, there will always be someone who has some kind of complaint, even if it does not directly effect them.
horizon_mj1
Well-Known Member
I agree to an extent. If you take medication given to you by your doctor, it can not only jeopardize your mental clarity, but your physical health as well. Herbal alternative do not have as many side effects and should be studied further to weigh benefits against detrimental effects. Recreational drug use includes alcohol; the one drug that can very easily kill you if you are addicted and choose to quite cold turkey and has the highest indirect cause of death (drunk driving, assault, etc.) more than any other drug known to mankind, yet it is legal and people do not complain nearly as much about it due to it being "socially" acceptable. The only reason why marijuana is socially unacceptable is because (obviously) it was made that way through misconceptions and lack of knowledge.
tomato1236
Ninja Master
Smoking's bad for you. Addiction is bad for you. Doing illegal things is bad for you. If you don't think so, just wait til you're old. You'll see.
Maybe I should have stated that I also avoid many medicines for much the same reason.
They should be studied, sure. But they aren't safer just because they are herbal.
I oppose its use very much as well.
Marijuana is socially unacceptable? News to me. It is illegal and somewhat clandestine, but at this point it is a stretch to say that it is marginalized in the social consciousness.
Klaufi_Wodensson
Vinlandic Warrior
I am someone who is an opponent of drugs. However, I don't think it should be considered criminal.
I just think that we as humans should ascend above that level where we use substances to alter our state of being, to feel good, to cope, etc. Is Marijuana evil? Not at all. It's a plant.
I just think that we as humans should ascend above that level where we use substances to alter our state of being, to feel good, to cope, etc. Is Marijuana evil? Not at all. It's a plant.
horizon_mj1
Well-Known Member
Of course all of the things you mentioned are, but so are cell phones, breathing city air, drinking too much of any liquid or ingesting too much of any food. The point I am trying to make is narcotic medications which are addictive should not be administered if a natural alternative that is not addictive, does not have the long list of side effects can get the job done just as well if not better.
horizon_mj1
Well-Known Member
That IMO is the smart thing to do, and you are right, just because it is natural does not mean it is good for you (the hemlock is extremely poisonous, but makes good in home scents)
I state that due to the fact that a person can light a cigarette in public and that is fine, they light a joint, they will more than likely catch some heat.
no-body
Well-Known Member
Marijuana is neither good nor bad. Nor is any chemical and that includes: heroin, meth, crack cocaine, aspirin, caffeine, dopamine, serotonin, [tv, porno, whatever]
I'm not opposed to a drug-free life style but those sanctimonious enough to think that what they believe needs to be what everyone should do, should take a long look at themselves and see the hypocrisy. Even religion can be a drug. Man kind is founded on altering its consciousness and using drugs to cheat the natural state of things.
Personally as someone with debilitating anxiety and depression I hate the effects of marijuana in any form but I think it should be 100% legal and in most cases mandatory. Society needs to chill out.
I'm not opposed to a drug-free life style but those sanctimonious enough to think that what they believe needs to be what everyone should do, should take a long look at themselves and see the hypocrisy. Even religion can be a drug. Man kind is founded on altering its consciousness and using drugs to cheat the natural state of things.
Personally as someone with debilitating anxiety and depression I hate the effects of marijuana in any form but I think it should be 100% legal and in most cases mandatory. Society needs to chill out.
horizon_mj1
Well-Known Member
I agree. Inanimate objects are not evil, it is how they are used that makes them "evil". If a qtip is used to kill someone, then are qtips evil?
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
I would like to stress that listening to music you find enjoyable has a similar effect on your brain as consuming cocaine, so I'm kind of humored by all these ethical objections short of concerns over OD'ing, and even that's a little weak.
The holier than thou attitude presented to people who find something enjoyable in drugs is kind of irksome, especially since I suspect no one here can honestly say that they abstain from sugar, caffeine, alcohol, and tobacco - all drugs. In fact all of those drugs aforementioned are more lethal than illicit substances like mushrooms or weed. Try consuming 5 grams of caffeine and coming away unscathed. [Actually, don't. You'll harm your entire system and can possibly die. Have a weed brownie instead]
Weed, psychedelics, ecstasy - I'd rather people take these than drink. Alcohol has the worst dependency problem of all major drugs. Heroin withdrawals rarely kill someone, but a heavy drinker who has spent years at the "water hole" is likely to die if he or she quits cold turkey.
The holier than thou attitude presented to people who find something enjoyable in drugs is kind of irksome, especially since I suspect no one here can honestly say that they abstain from sugar, caffeine, alcohol, and tobacco - all drugs. In fact all of those drugs aforementioned are more lethal than illicit substances like mushrooms or weed. Try consuming 5 grams of caffeine and coming away unscathed. [Actually, don't. You'll harm your entire system and can possibly die. Have a weed brownie instead]
Weed, psychedelics, ecstasy - I'd rather people take these than drink. Alcohol has the worst dependency problem of all major drugs. Heroin withdrawals rarely kill someone, but a heavy drinker who has spent years at the "water hole" is likely to die if he or she quits cold turkey.
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I don't understand your comparison. Surely there isn't much of a danger of consuming too much music, or becoming dependent on it... or is there? I never heard of that, anyway.
By which definitions are caffeine and sugar drugs?
If survival is all you care about, maybe they do compare favorably to sugar and caffeine. Once one considers mental health, things change quite a lot.
Must you rely on such bizarre strawmen to defend your point? Even you agree that it is not a representative example.
I actually agree. I'm all for voluntary boycotting of alcohol.
Not directly, anyway... they only make people wish to die.
Uh, thanks, I guess.