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Manual of Unitarian Beliefs

Discussion in 'Religious Books and Scriptures' started by BenFranklinFan, Jan 6, 2019.

  1. Vinayaka

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    Thanks for the info. My daughter went once, looking for something more universalist, but only went once, as it was 'way too christian for me'. But it's live and learn.
     
  2. Unveiled Artist

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    It isn't a christian church, though. You wouldn't expect to find someone who agrees with you in full because of the diverse nature and history of the religion. It isn't based on the JW and Catholic view of the bible if not the bible at all.

    As for fictitious and satan, too me that is far fetched both as a belief and as an opinion.

    They don't believe in jesus the way JW and Catholics do.

    You have to drop the bias. JW worship real gods. Baptist. Catholic. and so forth worship real gods.

    I can see if you experience diversity in worship and just left. I personally try not to do that because it makes other people enemies not friends. No humility in feeding bias.

    How do you know it does not offer spiritual nourishment to its believers?

    I'm not part of the religion; but, I'm not JW nor a practice catholic, but all three faiths are legitimate in themselves.

    All three of you have the god of your understanding.

    You have to go to a couple of churches so you know the stark differences it has with JW theology. You're trying to compare apples and steak. Their not even oranges in contrast.

    Deeje. It's hard to see your point and opinion through the negativity. I understood the bible because it didn't read as bias. Harsh, maybe, depending on the person. However, you can see it as harsh and belittle others or humility and learn from others. Either way, it's hard to work around your sentiment.

    I know "jesus was harsh so I can be too" but it doesn't mix up your point and makes it hard to discuss.

    Yes. Everyone has a choice. Which is a blessing in itself.

    How does seeing other people and christian denominations as treacherous help you personally in your spiritual faith?​

    No. It's just different. It's not christian. It's not JW. Should it agree with JW??

    Evangelism door to door is a ritual
    Conventions and going to worship on saturdays routinely is a ritual
    Reading from the JW magazine during service every service is a ritual

    Anything you do in worship on a routine basis is called a ritual.

    Basically. I just don't see it negatively. Just. Different.

    I don't see it that way. My catholic friend once told me when I learned about the catholic faith and what I disagree with, she says "it takes time."

    While I respect your opinion, not everyone is damned who don't follow JW.

    Now THAT I agree with. However, since Americans are diverse, I would change that to an individual point of view. For example, I don't see america as the "best" type of thing. I don't see us as disadvantage because there are SOOO many different cultures that the closest you'll find in religious agreement is protestant christianity. And, even that is a bit sketchy.

    There are huge misconceptions of the states. Here is a small list of American culture
    Lesson in American Culture and American Values

    I think you're talking more about some of the politics.

    I wish that were the case with JW. It's not in your language and you say jesus sees it the same so that gives you permission to think otherwise. I say that because if not, everyone would go to heaven (new earth or so have you). Also, remember. JW said that people who aren't in christ stay dead. They aren't resurrected. They die.

    Because they are not in danger. That's a huge difference. It doesn't mean you don't want to be respectful. Just you're line of respect isn't empathy nor active listening and learning.

    So, it's like two children talking at the edge of the woods. You notice them after realizing that there are bears in the woods (not exaggerating). You go down and tell them it is not safe there cause of the animals. They say, "but, this is our property."

    It was a nice intent but when you know the truth, that's where openness and respect comes into play. If you keep thinking they are at harm on their own property, it's no longer "I care." In some states, you can get shot for trespassing.

    Think you over looked my point. Though, I knew you would mention this.

    Yes. But to go on other people's property is different than putting a sign on your own property telling everyone all need christ then say "well it's my property jesus would do the same thing."

    HA! I thought that was exaggeration when I read that misconception of american culture. I guess not. No. We are not a gun culture. Have you visited the States before??

    It isn't christian. More specifically, not JW.

    How can they have their cake and eat it too when the cake they are eating is not JW nor is the flavor the type of god you guys believe in?

    Which cake do they have and eat that has anything to do with JW and the god of your understanding?
     
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    Ha. Yeah. I can see why she'd say that. One thing is, it doesn't have "a single god in which you have to conform to believe in to be part of that religion." They do try hard to take the christian view of god out of service, though. I guess the best to describe it positively is like a social organization and charity that helps people through supporting social justice etc. It sounds like a couple of religions on RF with an acute difference in whether one needs any type of god to benefit from the foundations of it's theology. Unless you're a murderer or evangelist christian throwing a tantrum of satan and hell fire, it's really personal preference more than anything else.
     
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    I actually left the Roman Church and have since professed the Unitarianism of the American Unitarian Association, even though they no longer exist (as a distinct body)...
     
  5. Unveiled Artist

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    @Deeje I'm kinda an academic; so, I thought I'd give you this if you want to skim. I don't know if you're the education-type since I don't see you speak of anything outside of religion. The UU is founded on transcendentalism which explains that god is within through the connection and individualism of the person within nature. It's also a form of idealism and was around in the 19th century. I know you said anything outside the bible is a waste of your time. Probably others are interested too. Biography of Emerson @BenFranklinFan This may be of interest. Oh. Ben. and some of his essays on it Ralph Waldo Emerson-- Works.

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  6. Unveiled Artist

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    Actually, UU has a good thick history. It's highly political and has a throughout rejection of christian theology in its doctrine. Outside of of that, it's interesting. If you're interested, I posted more on #25.

    It's not scripture nor proselytizing info so you don't have to worry about that.
     
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