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Making sense of the Pandemic

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by dad, Mar 21, 2020.

  1. dad

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    Making sense of the coronavirus

    When I learned of some recent examples of sex change operations involving children as young as six or seven in some cases, I felt an anger that I believe God also feels. There are many societal sins in these times that all reach biblically epic proportions. If the west and kingdoms of this world have crossed a line in the sand with God what would we expect to see?
    I would expect to see action. In the future, in bible prophesies, we see that nations receive judgments of God trying to make them repent from their evil ways. In the past, we saw God taking action in Egypt and sending judgments to force Pharoah to get the point and change his ways or at least to let God's children go.
    In both these cases, a successive series of judgments from God followed each other until the nations were broken as a result of not heeding His message and judgments.
    If this is the case with the plague that has come on the world then the only remedy would be to cease from the wicked things that brought it on and to cry out to God. The judgments in the bible were on nations in these cases for the most part, rather than individuals. There will come a time when God cleans up the books for all people, but that time was not in the past and was not in the last day prophesies of the bible.
    Knowing that certain levels of sin and evil practices are bound to result in God stepping in, the question with the modern plague arises, is this a judgment from God? If it is, then the only way to stop it is for nations of the world to change drastically. If they did not, then what would be expected if this were a message to nations from God, is that even clearer messages via judgments would follow and there would be an end to the world order of the day.
    We do know that a new world order will come to exist in the very final days of man's rule on earth according to bible prophesy. If this plague is from God then it would mean that we are entering that final period very soon. (unless nations cease sex-change operations, abortions, and some of the sins outlined in Scripture that have now reached heaven).
    For many bible believers, this would make sense as to why such a horrible plague was allowed to enter the world today. One result of the virus has been that hospitals and medical systems have been, and will increasingly be overburdened. Nonessential surgeries are being canceled. If the plague was here as a result of the aforementioned reasons, that would seem to make sense that one of the first casualties of the event was the medical system.
    Looking for a vaccine or cure would not work, because if the message was from God, some other event would follow that would accomplish the purpose anyhow. The only solution would be to change the ways of guilty nations and to repent.
    The coming days will reveal if this scenario is correct or not. In any case, I would recommend that nations pray, and ask forgiveness and healing.
     
  2. exchemist

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    Of course! How could we all have missed it.

    This virus is the result of sex change operations.

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    I think the OP cited wicked practices of many sorts and suggested it could have been the one that pushed it over the top. In other words, the little drop of water filled the cup to the brim.
     
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    Show me proof? I haven't heard anything about a child as young as 5-6 being given sex change operations. Going by their pronouns that they choose sure. Maybe even begin the discussion around therapy and eventually puberty blockers; but actual top or bottom surgery? No, that doesn't happen to children, in fact it's not that common for adults in the Trans community either. Money constrictions, and lots of potential complications that most don't want to deal with.
     
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    The "wicked" things that brought this pandemic are abundantly clear. Humans and animals living in close proximity to each other. The virus was an animal virus which mutated in order to move to a human host who has no natural immunity to the virus.

    The sin we need to repent of is the breeding of animals for human food consumption. This problem in human history only began at the agricultural age. If we repent and all become vegetarians, or eat a very, very minimal amount of meat, then "God" will turn his wrath away from us through our distancing ourselves from animals bred for human consumption.

    This is a real, and much more pragmatic understanding than imaging we don't know where it came from. It came from our practices.
     
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  6. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Compassion, understanding, and tolerance.
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    Regiomontanus Veritas vos liberabit

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    I find it hard to believe that the Creator of the universe would use evolution to create a virus that kills 3-5% of those who become infected, to pay us back for misbehaving. Seems a stretch!
     
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    Not sure this is true. The origins seem to have been an illegal wild animal market. That is, where animal species not normally consumed are consumed by some for whatever reasons.
     
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    it is not, but, i suspect, virus will kill a lot of those....
     
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    Well, look it up. The issue is that the cumulative wickedness of nations may have reached the point where God had to take action.
     
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    Probably less that that, I think. The 3-5% seems to relate only to confirmed cases, which may be a long way short of all cases, given the fact that so far as I know nobody has tested whole populations, only those that self-select as being ill.
     
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    I did, I couldn't find any reputable info, which is why I asked your sources. You can't make a wild assertion without actual evidence friend.

    Also, the wickedness now, is a lot less than it has been in the past. Crime is down, sickness is down, inequality is down, violence is down, wars are less frequent. We aren't perfect, but we never will be, Midgard can't be perfect.
     
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    I blame computers.
     
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    In this case that may be possible. It still remains though, that animal human interactions has caused these outbreaks historically, from pigs, from fowls, etc.

    Also, global warming is in no small part due to our enormous meat industry, churning out columns of methane gas into the atmosphere. So, in principle, if you want to look at this in terms of "God's wrath", it is simple. Stay away from them and let them be.

    Everything on this planet is interconnected, and in a true sense of the word, this is karma. If we do not find responsible balance, than ending it altogether seems to be our "salvation" from "God's wrath", or natural consequences.
     
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    Not when God is entered into the picture. In Egypt, they were getting plagues because they needed to obey what God said. The frogs were not the result of living near the Nile, or the locusts a result of living there. Etc. Nature was tweaked, to say the least.

    I don't think so. At first, I was hearing those claims I think put out by the Chinese government. Then I started to hear claims it might be some sort of bioweapon mistake. Etc. Who really knows? Looking at the effect on the world, we have to admit it is life-changing and worldwide. Nothing happens by accident from a Christian perspective.
    Yet I hesitated to think that such a horrible event could possibly be allowed or even sent by God. The people I heard suggesting this seemed harsh and religious and judgmental and even hypocritical to me. After all, we are all in danger of getting this and dying. The churches were no exception.
    This could make sense though if nations were being judged, not so much individuals. There is nothing that keeps believers from getting this also and dying, except the usual praying. Having Christians die also in no way means that this could not be a judment on the world.
     
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    Well we probably agree that we are taking too many liberties with our planet even if we don't agree as to the reasons why we do such.
     
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    Important to get that last sentence in, of course.
     
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    If the end result was, for example, to stop abortions and sex change operation, well, I would think a lot of that would already be impacted by the medical crisis at hand.
     
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    There was no wild assertion. I was very surprised to have heard of a case where some parent was threatened with being charged with assault or child abuse if they told their child that having a sex change operation was not a good thing. I think the child was something like 14 yrs old in that case. Looking into the issue a bit more I found several sites that mentioned children as young as seven or even six were being encouraged to go down that road.
     
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