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Featured Making A Mockery of Christianity

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Neo Deist, Jan 11, 2017.

  1. Neo Deist

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    Imagine a non-Christian trying to learn about Christianity, and then they come across this video:



    And you wonder why people laugh at Christianity. Charlatans like this "pastor" make a mockery out of the religion.

    Then there is this guy:



    Incidentally, Jeremiah Cummings tried to sue Lionsgate Entertainment, claiming that the movie Religulous ruined his life and drove him to poverty. Apparently after being exposed, numerous people sued him and sought monetary damages. Cummings eventually dropped the case against LE.

    Mocking Christianity is NOT my intent. Heck, I consider myself a Christian Deist. The purpose behind the videos is to show that there are people out there that misrepresent Christianity, and those are the ones that need to be called into question.
     
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    i've never read any kind of scripture where Jesus was a dancing maniac, or fleecer of sheep.

    He basically told the pharisees that they couldn't buy their way into heaven
     
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    I just had to comment on the first video. I assume they would probably be the same people who put down priest for absolving Catholics. I have seen churches like that, though. It's the "power" of mental suggestion, I guess one can say. Different presentations of what happen at the Pentecost? But then I don't remember the apostles doing that to the gentiles, so....
     
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    All one need do is watch these televangelists, one selling
    baggies of 'miracle spring water' with the promise of eliminating the drinker's debt! Or another favorite, ST Francis in the yard will sell your house erc.
     
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    In this particular instance, I just see a bunch of people being passionate about their spiritual-religious views and enthustiastic in their worship. I see no reason to mock them.



     
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  6. Neo Deist

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    It's fake. They are acting and they know it. Getting knocked over by an unseen force, and then laying there as if paralyzed.
     
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    I think that technique was probably developed by Miles Munroe, and I have been to a service orchestrated by him. Bahamas Faith Ministries International He's very innovative and has written some books that have been copied by famous authors. For example Miles Munroe writes In Pursuit of Purpose long before Rick Warren writes his best selling The Purpose Driven Life. There is a lot of copying of innovations in this industry.
     
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    When he tells them "Do you want something? TAKE IT!", and than pushes his hand towards them like a Master Jedi, he is obviously not knocking them back with a Force Push.

    He is, however, triggering a reaction from them, giving them a moment to just let that numinous passion and ecstasy and enthusiasm overcome them during their group worship and ritual. Those thoughts and emotions are are not "fake" and they are not "acting". These people are allowing themselves to be overwhelmed with spiritual-religious devotion and ecstasy. It is an exciting and very involving element of their spiritual-religious culture.

    I am one who prefers solitary worship to group worship, and I still see no reason to mock them.

     
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  9. Neo Deist

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    Again, it is fake. People are expected to fall down on cue. It is nothing but theatrics.
     
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    Is it because you know?
     
  11. Neo Deist

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    It is because of common sense.

    I visited a Pentecostal church some years. I volunteered to be prayed over during the altar call or whatever it is. The pastor put his hands on my head, said a little prayer and then started pushing against my forehead. I guess I was supposed to fall down when he touched me, but instead I stood there and just looked at him. His eyes were steaming mad. He pushed harder, actually forcing me to take a step back. I rolled my head to the side and swatted his hand away.

    Boy was that a mistake! The church went dead silent. I was actually accused of having a demon inside of me, because no one could resist like that. :facepalm:

    My friend, who was a member there and had invited me along, asked me why I didn't fall down when he touched me. I replied, "was I supposed to?" He said, "yes...everyone does. It's what we do."

    Oh good grief. :rolleyes:
     
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    You can make yourself believe anything once you become obsessed with something.

    Reason and logic and a questioning mind should never be lost once a person becomes religious, on the contrary ones reasoning powers should increase.

    When I see today's Christians cannot reason that Christ never rose physically from the dead I see the same thing because it's not acceptable to anything but an obsessed mind. When you say to a Christian " isn't it possible there is a spiritual meaning to the resurrection"? then obsession steps in and the reasoning mind seems to only want to talk about magic and miracles.

    This video is just a microcosm of the stubbornness, born of obsession that is the illness that afflicts Christians inability to reason with their minds.

    God gave us minds so we would not fall into superstitions but Christians unfortunately are all about dead bodies walking, walking on water and miracles and magic never for once questioning that literally these are but superstitions.

    Christians are lovely people but very superstitious and refuse to use their God given reason to admit many of the occurrences in the Bible were symbolical not literal.

    This video is just more of the same. But each to his own.
     
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  13. Neo Deist

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    Or, I am not some superstitious, drama queen, theatrical ladened drone that mindlessly follows the flock around and does stuff just because it is expected. :shrug:
     
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    It reminds me Chi Power fighting.

     
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    Then there is this guy. He gets debunked the hard way.

     
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    Are they deceiving others in order to obtain money?
     
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    There is no reason to get upset. I can appreciate people's spiritual-religious enthusiasm during their culture's group rituals, and the exciting and even euphoric experiences that can occur for those enjoying the activity.

     
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    You know that theater and drama was a time-honored way of conveying spiritual emotion and ritual devotion right? I'm an atheist and materialist besides so deism is as much superstition to me as this. But I don't think that makes it less meaningful to those people. And provided there's not some power and money scheme behind it I certainly don't care if they do it. Furthermore if people think 'this is why people dislike Christianity,' then those people should probably be told to not normalize generalized thinking about am incredibly diverse umbrella of belief and practice.
     
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    Not exactly. It is more like they believe that the holy spirit is directing the speaker. They aren't being paid to fall down.
     
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    It is not dissimilar to this exorcism inside a mosque as far as I can tell. exorcism using Koran. It is quite similar. Ministers in churches use the same techniques for exorcism and for directing people to fall down.
     
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