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Majority of US millionaires want to pay higher taxes
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Alceste
Vagabond
Beats me. One could always try to track down the survey this article is based on...
Alceste
Vagabond
Yeah. I am just pleased to see they don't actually seem to want what the American right says they want.
The American right these days is by and large composed of toadies of the billionaires.
Alceste
Vagabond
Sad but true. They're all getting old now though, hopefully they will die soon and be replaced by a new generation of more intelligent, socially responsible tech billionaires.
Namaste
Actually, this poll is only the results of those so-called "millionaires" who choose to answer to the poll and as with such polls is highly suspect. For example, let us say the poll was of billionaires living in Goldfornia. And there are estimated that there are 42 billionaires living in Goldfornia. And 4 chose to answer the poll. These 4 know each other very well. Also, they are not stupid, in part that is why they are billionaires. They know very well this poll is really all about a left-wing agenda of NBC to have obese government tax everyone more and more so that the politicians and government class of obese government can unaccountably spend others money to buy voter blocks to maintain and expand their government class power and to corruptly and irresponsibly have this money disappear into an accountable and untraceable rabbit hole of lies and largesse sold as "free bread". They also know that they will never pay the actual higher taxes, that all others will actually end up paying it in a million different ways they don't understand but not them in the end because it is only a numbers game much broader than income tax, much more broader in how the game works, and so as soon as you see these 4 smartalec billionaires vote "yes! raise my taxes" all that means is they are now already in cahoots with the obese government with uncompetitive crony capital deals with, for example, Senators in Sacramento and the State and the obese Federalies, to pump more largese into government while taking out competitors of their business interests and to prevent those disgusting middle class type worms from starting successful enterprises on their own that may mess up the billionaire scene of these 4.
Once the lock is in, they vote "Yes!" so that overall they actually will pay nothing but only benefit while everyone else has all their savings, 401ks, and assets looted by the obese government in a million different ways that are hidden taxes and fees as well as very real taxes as all the rules change 6 years after the rules were put in a "lockbox" that was then unlocked and the obese government now has the power to go right into the personal accounts of everyone else to make direct withdrawls.
They vote "Yes!" and laugh. They might have liked capitalism once, but then after they got some toys and sort of lazy, it looked like things started slipping from their fingers so of course they become socialists and fascists because they got afraid of competition from the middle class "pond scum" and decided since the government class is becoming all powerful and unaccountable they want to be that government class too.
But the problem with the poll is, it only represents those 4 billionaires who have the lock in. The others actually never vote in it. So it is an illusion of math. It means nothing. In many cases the others were purposely never asked. And the poll was based on demographics and logistics from the government itself which are total, agenda based, lies, like the "unemployment" stats released just before the Presidential election. So this poll is about as useful as a government bureaucrat in the IRS is to the rest of us.
Incredibly, those 4 and the obese government will fall. Simply because of total incompetence and are overrun by other despots or they are overthrown by the rest. But this takes a little time. But then the entire cycle sometimes starts all over. Actually this poll is the canary in the coal mine that the worst is coming soon.
Om Namah Sivaya
Actually, this poll is only the results of those so-called "millionaires" who choose to answer to the poll and as with such polls is highly suspect. For example, let us say the poll was of billionaires living in Goldfornia. And there are estimated that there are 42 billionaires living in Goldfornia. And 4 chose to answer the poll. These 4 know each other very well. Also, they are not stupid, in part that is why they are billionaires. They know very well this poll is really all about a left-wing agenda of NBC to have obese government tax everyone more and more so that the politicians and government class of obese government can unaccountably spend others money to buy voter blocks to maintain and expand their government class power and to corruptly and irresponsibly have this money disappear into an accountable and untraceable rabbit hole of lies and largesse sold as "free bread". They also know that they will never pay the actual higher taxes, that all others will actually end up paying it in a million different ways they don't understand but not them in the end because it is only a numbers game much broader than income tax, much more broader in how the game works, and so as soon as you see these 4 smartalec billionaires vote "yes! raise my taxes" all that means is they are now already in cahoots with the obese government with uncompetitive crony capital deals with, for example, Senators in Sacramento and the State and the obese Federalies, to pump more largese into government while taking out competitors of their business interests and to prevent those disgusting middle class type worms from starting successful enterprises on their own that may mess up the billionaire scene of these 4.
Once the lock is in, they vote "Yes!" so that overall they actually will pay nothing but only benefit while everyone else has all their savings, 401ks, and assets looted by the obese government in a million different ways that are hidden taxes and fees as well as very real taxes as all the rules change 6 years after the rules were put in a "lockbox" that was then unlocked and the obese government now has the power to go right into the personal accounts of everyone else to make direct withdrawls.
They vote "Yes!" and laugh. They might have liked capitalism once, but then after they got some toys and sort of lazy, it looked like things started slipping from their fingers so of course they become socialists and fascists because they got afraid of competition from the middle class "pond scum" and decided since the government class is becoming all powerful and unaccountable they want to be that government class too.
But the problem with the poll is, it only represents those 4 billionaires who have the lock in. The others actually never vote in it. So it is an illusion of math. It means nothing. In many cases the others were purposely never asked. And the poll was based on demographics and logistics from the government itself which are total, agenda based, lies, like the "unemployment" stats released just before the Presidential election. So this poll is about as useful as a government bureaucrat in the IRS is to the rest of us.
Incredibly, those 4 and the obese government will fall. Simply because of total incompetence and are overrun by other despots or they are overthrown by the rest. But this takes a little time. But then the entire cycle sometimes starts all over. Actually this poll is the canary in the coal mine that the worst is coming soon.
Om Namah Sivaya
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
The weird part of a survey of this nature is that there is nothing stopping anyone from adding $1,000,000 donation to the government on their tax return. It might be far more interesting to see how many of these folks intentionally overpay their taxes instead of saying they aren't taxed enough.
Alceste
Vagabond
Maybe they are wise enough to understand that they can not possibly make any impact on the problem of inequality by doing that alone.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Poll is bollocks. No millionare will ever willingly pay any taxes period. Unless of course, there happens to be a particular benefit to be had in doing so in return.
Alceste
Vagabond
The millionaire in my family pays his taxes. His basic moral makeup is not very different from mine or anyone else's.
It is interesting that so many who advocate higher taxes will only pay them if they & others are forced to do so by threat of force. Of course, many believe that only the other guy will pay the increase, what might be called "exocharity". Such is my experience talking with my leftish friends, who cheat on their taxes with no guilt whatsoever. Perhaps the old quote about charity should read "Charity begins at the home (of someone else), but should end there.".
esmith
Veteran Member
Hmmm, seems that there is some controversy about the poll.
CNBC Millionaires Poll: Rich Support Higher Taxes and Minimum Wage? | New Republic
CNBC Millionaires Poll: Rich Support Higher Taxes and Minimum Wage? | New Republic
Alceste
Vagabond
I thought we were playing "ignore partisan news media". Is that game over, now, or should I just issue a meandering critique of New Republic instead of reading this article and addressing the points therein?
Edit: I did read it, but I wouldn't describe it as controversy. It's a guy who isn't that good at statistics trying to analyze the statistics and drawing some rather questionable conclusions based on his calculations.
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Namaste
Actually good point nowhereman.
Overall, I say to some who don't go beyond their own pond - There are multi-millionaires all over the world. Do you think they are only in the United States? Many if not most of these no longer live where their "world" is America, but rather "global". Many know each other. Some hate each other.
Others in this global social club work together while at the same hating some others who are also global. This is not a "conspiracy", often not even necessarily about power over "the world" at all. There is no "Illuminati". It is just people waking up in the morning and saying "What do I want to with my day today? Meditate on world peace? Put the knuckles on Joey? Run for Mayor of Bell California and syphon millions of dollars from stupid taxlpaying voters into my own largese? Actually, I think I have to call up Nancy Pelosi on that Lenmar Properties deal cut with her PG&E friends to give the inside big money to her relative's legal office for "managing" the legal and financial works of the "budget" for that "mercury inspection". Or should I call up Jose in Mexico on the oil thing?"
These are just humans. Like me and you. Within the population of us humans, we have so many frailties, fears, hatreds, corruptions, but there is good too. So yes, for those who hate the corporate world, who point out "see this corrupt corporate guy here, another one there! we cannot let that corrupt one have power over me and my life!" - yes this is perfectly logical. Among humans, probably about 32.8% according to angelic statistics are totally selfish and corrupt.
That is true for all humans no matter what their "profession" is.
So I find it amazing why some of these "idiots" for some reason fear the "corrupt corporate guy" but trust the same guy, same human type, in government have power over them and their lives? The same 32.8% of humans according to angelic statistics in government power will be just as corrupt as in corporate power. Only these pigs often are given even more power over the lives of others on a broader scale than the corporate deal. And are even more subject to bribes based on power and reelection.
You have others who want, demand, a "solution". As if there maybe is a solution at all. Maybe there is no "solution", because it is way more complicated than the peanut thinks. Maybe the best thing is just to try to limit giving power over your life as much as possible to others, especially organized others, and especially to government. Freedom is not the norm. Those who scream a lot about a solution on the boob tube, typically take us to a "final solution". Those who scream about a solution on a box typically are the first to get on the train to Siberia.
So yes there are some global multi-millionaires who know each other, hate other millionaires who are also global, don't give a rats behind about "taxes" in America because they don't live "in America" but the world, and they have deals with other global "friends" and politicians to compensate their largese 100 fold for any "tax increase" in America which isn't really a tax increase at all but corny capital deals that pay them way more than so-called "taxes" which they never thus pay anyway but instead are pushed out to the middle-class Americans to pay and be fined and fees and looted in a million dollar ways, and why should they care about Americans, they are not Americans actually, and besides they can bump off those other global multi-millionaires they hate along the way. And the main thing is to get government to straight jacket those middle class Americans who might be innovative enough to create new enterprise and business that may threaten theirs now that they are too lazy to be innovative anymore. The biggest threat to them and their global millionaire social club is actually no longer those other global multi-millionaires they hate but now it is Capitalism itself.
But the lazyness will do them in at the end. They don't know how to meditate. I have made a lot of money in my life. The "pie" isn't a fixed size as far as "living life", wealth is what you value and the pie has no size. It doesn't matter how limited the amount of "oil" there is, smart humans will find a way to build the chariot across the universe and all they need to be is free. Becoming wealthy, if that is what you want, isn't that hard to do. But the honest way is to know how to save and invest, at first it is hard but then the curve suddenly moves up, and the numbers double every 7 years, but first you must have patience. That is what many do not have. They never learned how to save, the children of those who won the war and lived on the atomic bomb standard (there never really was a gold standard after that). They were never taught in school how to do this, but only to buy toys and easily be swayed by promises of toys and mommy's food from the politicians and sales jobs on the Television age by business selliny shoes and bad basketball idols. But I noticed a comeback among many in the last couple of years. More and more want to be their own, not a toadie. Nancy Pelosi's days perhaps are short.
Om Namah Sivaya
Actually good point nowhereman.
Overall, I say to some who don't go beyond their own pond - There are multi-millionaires all over the world. Do you think they are only in the United States? Many if not most of these no longer live where their "world" is America, but rather "global". Many know each other. Some hate each other.
Others in this global social club work together while at the same hating some others who are also global. This is not a "conspiracy", often not even necessarily about power over "the world" at all. There is no "Illuminati". It is just people waking up in the morning and saying "What do I want to with my day today? Meditate on world peace? Put the knuckles on Joey? Run for Mayor of Bell California and syphon millions of dollars from stupid taxlpaying voters into my own largese? Actually, I think I have to call up Nancy Pelosi on that Lenmar Properties deal cut with her PG&E friends to give the inside big money to her relative's legal office for "managing" the legal and financial works of the "budget" for that "mercury inspection". Or should I call up Jose in Mexico on the oil thing?"
These are just humans. Like me and you. Within the population of us humans, we have so many frailties, fears, hatreds, corruptions, but there is good too. So yes, for those who hate the corporate world, who point out "see this corrupt corporate guy here, another one there! we cannot let that corrupt one have power over me and my life!" - yes this is perfectly logical. Among humans, probably about 32.8% according to angelic statistics are totally selfish and corrupt.
That is true for all humans no matter what their "profession" is.
So I find it amazing why some of these "idiots" for some reason fear the "corrupt corporate guy" but trust the same guy, same human type, in government have power over them and their lives? The same 32.8% of humans according to angelic statistics in government power will be just as corrupt as in corporate power. Only these pigs often are given even more power over the lives of others on a broader scale than the corporate deal. And are even more subject to bribes based on power and reelection.
You have others who want, demand, a "solution". As if there maybe is a solution at all. Maybe there is no "solution", because it is way more complicated than the peanut thinks. Maybe the best thing is just to try to limit giving power over your life as much as possible to others, especially organized others, and especially to government. Freedom is not the norm. Those who scream a lot about a solution on the boob tube, typically take us to a "final solution". Those who scream about a solution on a box typically are the first to get on the train to Siberia.
So yes there are some global multi-millionaires who know each other, hate other millionaires who are also global, don't give a rats behind about "taxes" in America because they don't live "in America" but the world, and they have deals with other global "friends" and politicians to compensate their largese 100 fold for any "tax increase" in America which isn't really a tax increase at all but corny capital deals that pay them way more than so-called "taxes" which they never thus pay anyway but instead are pushed out to the middle-class Americans to pay and be fined and fees and looted in a million dollar ways, and why should they care about Americans, they are not Americans actually, and besides they can bump off those other global multi-millionaires they hate along the way. And the main thing is to get government to straight jacket those middle class Americans who might be innovative enough to create new enterprise and business that may threaten theirs now that they are too lazy to be innovative anymore. The biggest threat to them and their global millionaire social club is actually no longer those other global multi-millionaires they hate but now it is Capitalism itself.
But the lazyness will do them in at the end. They don't know how to meditate. I have made a lot of money in my life. The "pie" isn't a fixed size as far as "living life", wealth is what you value and the pie has no size. It doesn't matter how limited the amount of "oil" there is, smart humans will find a way to build the chariot across the universe and all they need to be is free. Becoming wealthy, if that is what you want, isn't that hard to do. But the honest way is to know how to save and invest, at first it is hard but then the curve suddenly moves up, and the numbers double every 7 years, but first you must have patience. That is what many do not have. They never learned how to save, the children of those who won the war and lived on the atomic bomb standard (there never really was a gold standard after that). They were never taught in school how to do this, but only to buy toys and easily be swayed by promises of toys and mommy's food from the politicians and sales jobs on the Television age by business selliny shoes and bad basketball idols. But I noticed a comeback among many in the last couple of years. More and more want to be their own, not a toadie. Nancy Pelosi's days perhaps are short.
Om Namah Sivaya
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kashmir
Well-Known Member
Thanks for the info.
For some reason I thought that number was much lower(billionaires)
Leave it to me to say irrelevant to things to the thread while discussing the thread.
How about instead of them wanting to pay more taxes, use the money to fund the people directly.
Obviously, the gov cant handle money very well, so why even want to give it to them?
Good judgement in the matter?
Alceste
Vagabond
Except perhaps the obvious fact that one person sending extra money to the IRS would do nothing to alleviate the social issues these people are concerned about.