1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Madam President

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Truly Enlightened, Aug 8, 2019.

  1. Truly Enlightened

    Truly Enlightened Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2017
    Messages:
    1,299
    Ratings:
    +596
    Maybe someone can help me to understand, because I just don't get it. We have a candidate that is a two-time combat veteran, and still serving as a Major in the National Guard. A person who will stop the escalation of a Nuclear Arms Race. A person also serving as a congresswoman on the Foreign Service, Homeland Security, and Armed Services Committees for almost 7 years. A person that wants to end all regime change illegal wars, involving America. A person that wants to bring all of our soldiers home from countries all over the world. One country we have been in for almost 20 years. A person that wants to stop the millions of civilians, soldiers, and children from being killed by us, since 911. A person that wants to use the trillions of dollars wasted(4 Billion dollars/month in Iraq alone), and use this "war dividend" to address the social issues we have here at home. A person who exudes gravitas, attention, courage, authenticity, integrity, confidence, and intelligence, every time she opens her mouth. A person with a 38 year old brain, not the brain of a Grandpa, or a Grandma(you can't fight human physiology). Finally, a person that actually walks the talk)Standing Rock, Puerto Rico, fact-finding mission in Syria, Homestead Detention Center, and her consistency in legislations, passed and proposed).

    What am I not seeing here? She exposes a foreign policy corporate status quo lackey(Tim Ryan), and a narcissistic, egocentric, sociopath(Kamala Harris), for what they are, and it is the messenger that is attacked. No rebuttals, just smears, lies, and slander. What is corporate media so afraid of to support these smear attacks? The truth about their bottom line? How can you ever justify calling a volunteer twice combat, still serving veteran, a "Russian-Bot, a Trojan Horse, or an Assad Apologist? No one called Nancy Pelosi an Assad Apologists, and she met with him twice. I would vote for anyone with just half these bonafides. Please, tell me what am I blinded to? Why are we putting our future in the hands of old men and women that have clearly shown their allegiance to corporate America, to maintain the status quo. Without stopping these endless illegal wars, these dog and pony shows, will only be a theatre of empty promises. They are not even trying to hide it anymore, because the public can no longer see the truth in front of their eyes anymore. Are people more interested in just winning, than in what they are winning?
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. tytlyf

    tytlyf Thought Criminal

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    10,998
    Ratings:
    +3,847
    I like Tulsi because she's intelligent and professional. She'd be a good leader.
    But you won't get many conservatives voting for her, regardless of her record. To them, a woman cannot lead men.
    It's a religious thing with people on the right. It's a primal thought process.
     
  3. Stanyon

    Stanyon WWMRD?

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    5,856
    Ratings:
    +2,725
    Religion:
    Living
    Shhh... don't tell anyone

    [​IMG]
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  4. David1967

    David1967 Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2015
    Messages:
    8,821
    Ratings:
    +6,933
    Religion:
    Christian
    Which candidate are you referring to?
     
  5. BSM1

    BSM1 What? Me worry?

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2012
    Messages:
    19,368
    Ratings:
    +9,201
    Religion:
    Buddhistic Panenthetic Jesusonian
    But...but...she wears white after Labor Day.....
     
  6. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2014
    Messages:
    19,773
    Ratings:
    +8,234
    Religion:
    Christianity
    Ne le leur dis pas:p
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  7. Truly Enlightened

    Truly Enlightened Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2017
    Messages:
    1,299
    Ratings:
    +596
    Many conservatives, centrists, and libertarians, are sick of endless and illegal wars with countries most people can't even spell. Most people don't want to see thousands of our men and women in uniform, dying, or being permanently maimed to keep corporate America afloat. Most people don't want America to be the policeman of the world. And, most people would prefer the dollars wasted on killing men, women and children(and animals), to be used as resources to address the social issues we have here at home instead.

    Remember there are conservative women as well. And, a woman can be very persuasive when she needs to be. I think we've(men and women) have come a long way since the suffrage movement in 1848, and the women's liberation movement in the 60's. I believe if the message is clear enough, and delivered well enough, then the "primal thought process" will have to evolve.
     
  8. Shad

    Shad Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2014
    Messages:
    17,259
    Ratings:
    +3,991
    Religion:
    Theological noncognitivist
    She is dumping on empty progressive rhetoric and targeting moderates votes.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. tytlyf

    tytlyf Thought Criminal

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Messages:
    10,998
    Ratings:
    +3,847
    That's the thought process of Evangelicals and a lot of conservatives. The bible is to be respected and these people don't want a woman leading over them. I'm sure I can dig up plenty of quotes about 'that time of the month, etc."
    There is no message to them that will overpower the biblical message. Hunter/Gatherer mentality.
    "Get in the kitchen, etc."

    1 Timothy 2:12
    I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

    The Role Of The Woman
    Titus 2:3-5 ESV / 25 helpful votes
    Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.

    Genesis 2:18 ESV / 24 helpful votes
    Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.”

    1 Corinthians 11:3 ESV / 14 helpful votes
    But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

    Proverbs 31:1-31 ESV / 14 helpful votes
    The words of King Lemuel. An oracle that his mother taught him: What are you doing, my son? What are you doing, son of my womb? What are you doing, son of my vows? Do not give your strength to women, your ways to those who destroy kings. It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, or for rulers to take strong drink, lest they drink and forget what has been decreed and pervert the rights of all the afflicted. ...

    Genesis 1:27 ESV / 14 helpful votes
    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

    Galatians 3:28 ESV / 13 helpful votes
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

    Titus 2:4-5 ESV / 10 helpful votes
    And so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.

    1 Corinthians 11:1-34 ESV / 10 helpful votes
    Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. ...

    Genesis 3:16 ESV / 10 helpful votes
    To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

    Genesis 2:24 ESV / 10 helpful votes
    Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

    2 Timothy 1:5 ESV / 9 helpful votes
    I am reminded of your sincere faith, a faith that dwelt first in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice and now, I am sure, dwells in you as well.

    1 Timothy 2:11-15 ESV / 9 helpful votes
    Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

    Philippians 4:3 ESV / 9 helpful votes
    Yes, I ask you also, true companion, help these women, who have labored side by side with me in the gospel together with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.

    Ephesians 5:23 ESV / 9 helpful votes
    For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

    Ephesians 5:22-33 ESV / 9 helpful votes
    Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, ...

    1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV / 9 helpful votes
    Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. ...

    Genesis 1:28 ESV / 9 helpful votes
    And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

    1 Timothy 5:14 ESV / 8 helpful votes
    So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander.

    1 Timothy 2:1-15 ESV / 8 helpful votes
    First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, ...

    Ephesians 5:22 ESV / 8 helpful votes
    Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

    + lot's more
    What Does the Bible Say About The Role Of The Woman?
     
    #9 tytlyf, Aug 8, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2019
  10. Truly Enlightened

    Truly Enlightened Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2017
    Messages:
    1,299
    Ratings:
    +596

    What other democratic candidate do you know, that has been smeared as a Russian-Bot, and Assad Apologist, a Republican Trojan Horse, and loved by white supremist? What other candidate is a Major in the HAWAII National Guard, and served two combat tours of duty in both Iraq and Kuwait? What other candidate has served in Congress for almost 7 years, on the Arms Service, Foreign Affairs, and Homeland Security committees? What other candidate step down as the vice-chair of the DNC, to follow her convictions?

    But if you still are uncertain, it is Madam President Tulsi Gabbard.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  11. Truly Enlightened

    Truly Enlightened Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2017
    Messages:
    1,299
    Ratings:
    +596

    Si je ne leur dis pas, comment vont-ils savorr?
     
  12. Stanyon

    Stanyon WWMRD?

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2017
    Messages:
    5,856
    Ratings:
    +2,725
    Religion:
    Living
    Marine Le Pen has described as far-right and has many supporters male and female, wouldn't you think that if "people on the right" would never support a woman president don't you think a "far-right" president would be unimaginable?

    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    45,966
    Ratings:
    +20,722
    Religion:
    Philosophical Buddhism
    That's what I was wondering. But I guess we know now. :0)
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  14. Nakosis

    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2011
    Messages:
    21,653
    Ratings:
    +11,506
    Religion:
    Scientism
    I've no problem with her. Why don't democrats like her more?
    Oh, I suppose that question was already asked in the OP.
     
  15. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    45,966
    Ratings:
    +20,722
    Religion:
    Philosophical Buddhism
    She's probably one of the more impressive candidates yet
    It's a bit disconcerting that she was a running mate with Bernie Sanders. I would consider that a red flag.

    To State it as Trump puts it,

    Socialism is not going to come into this country.
     
  16. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2018
    Messages:
    23,148
    Ratings:
    +12,064
    Religion:
    None
    I wonder if you have some reason other than your
    own prejudice for saying that.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. David1967

    David1967 Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2015
    Messages:
    8,821
    Ratings:
    +6,933
    Religion:
    Christian
    Wow, I guess you like Tulsi Gabbard.
     
  18. David1967

    David1967 Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2015
    Messages:
    8,821
    Ratings:
    +6,933
    Religion:
    Christian
    Yeah, that was quite a sales pitch.
     
  19. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    45,966
    Ratings:
    +20,722
    Religion:
    Philosophical Buddhism
    I never even heard of the name until now.

    Kind of scary cuz it's a bit like Obama before he came on the scene. He was supposed to be the best thing since mashed potatoes and gravy.
     
  20. David1967

    David1967 Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2015
    Messages:
    8,821
    Ratings:
    +6,933
    Religion:
    Christian
    Nothings better than mashed potatoes and gravy.
     
Loading...