Father Heathen
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Except for the U.S. and all of the Latin American countries, of course. Unless you're attempting to pull a silly "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
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Except for the U.S. and all of the Latin American countries, of course. Unless you're attempting to pull a silly "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
Grandliseur
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Well, you seem to want to oversimplify things. With the melange, hodgepodge of a great variety of philosophies and beliefs, how can you ever call any one country Christian? The US is a cesspool of murder, drugs, atheism, homosexuality, adultery, and in no way may be named Christian. If you then take some countries that are predominantly Catholic, do you really think they act the Christian towards each other! Catholic Mexico has violence and drug problems like few other countries.
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Jeremiah Ames
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Matthew 5:28 and Romans 13:14 clearly forbids us to watch these things and it seems clear to me that unless we as a nation can turn away from this epidemic, we as a nation will be judged for it.
I can't see how Matthew 5:28 and Romans 13:14 "clearly" forbids us to watch "these things". Looking at a woman lustfully with the intent of trying to have sex with her (assuming she is not your wife) is what is spoken of in the first verse, not looking at a magazine or movie.
And the second verse is even further from forbidding what you think needs forbidding.
So you think our nation will be judged because of porn?
What will this judgment look like?
What do we need to do to prevent the judgment?
Eliminate all porn? But that won't be enough.
You're concerned about "any site which harbors content of a sexualised nature."
We will need to burn all the romance novels.
Outlaw video games.
Ban soap opera like television shows and movies.
Get rid of the clothing store catalogs.
Outlaw skimpy swimsuits. What is skimpy? Anything that shows more than your head, hands and feet.
What else? Where will it end?
Try Matthew 22:37-40. as long as you and your neighbor are observing those verses, stop worrying about what your neighbor is doing with his life.
Also try Matthew 7:1-5.
If all people observed these verses the world would be a much better place. I don't believe Jesus wants us to search all of scripture to find a verse and turn it into a mechanism to try to mold other people into what you think they should be.
I can't see how Matthew 5:28 and Romans 13:14 "clearly" forbids us to watch "these things". Looking at a woman lustfully with the intent of trying to have sex with her (assuming she is not your wife) is what is spoken of in the first verse, not looking at a magazine or movie.
And the second verse is even further from forbidding what you think needs forbidding.
So you think our nation will be judged because of porn?
What will this judgment look like?
What do we need to do to prevent the judgment?
Eliminate all porn? But that won't be enough.
You're concerned about "any site which harbors content of a sexualised nature."
We will need to burn all the romance novels.
Outlaw video games.
Ban soap opera like television shows and movies.
Get rid of the clothing store catalogs.
Outlaw skimpy swimsuits. What is skimpy? Anything that shows more than your head, hands and feet.
What else? Where will it end?
Try Matthew 22:37-40. as long as you and your neighbor are observing those verses, stop worrying about what your neighbor is doing with his life.
Also try Matthew 7:1-5.
If all people observed these verses the world would be a much better place. I don't believe Jesus wants us to search all of scripture to find a verse and turn it into a mechanism to try to mold other people into what you think they should be.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Neither is the bible.Both were written by mere men who presumed to speak on god's behalf, yet both claims are equally irrational and unsubstantiated. There's no valid reason to trust one above the other.
Opinion noted and rejected. And did the Holy Spirit testify to of this? No, He didn't, you don't even believe in the Holy Spirit.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Wrong. For believers, the Holy Spirit reveals truth to us. For unbelievers you just have to go with whatever you have been deceived into believing.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Yeah, he did. He just whispered to me that the bible does not speak for god.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Yeah. There will come the day when you will be very, very sorry you said that. I just hope it happens before it is too late for you.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Nah. No real, worthy god would be so petty and vindictive.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I don't hate god. I just think the way the concept was perceived and portrayed by ancient cultures simply falls short. Figuratively speaking, they wore a sock on their hand, called it god, and spoke through it, claiming their words were god's. If that's your thing, then enjoy. But it's not for me. Not impressed. Not interested.
Eh, not really. More often than not the Jewish prophets are telling the Jews everything they don't want to hear. Jeremiah was thrown into prison and nearly killed. Nathan told king David 'Thou art the man' and told him his child would die. Isaiah told the Jewish people they were committing adultery symbolically and told them to 'Cease to do evil; learn to do good. Seek justice; correct oppression; defend the fatherless and plead for the widow.' Daniel is known for his justice and not letting wicked men go unpunished.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
You are right, brother. Child pornography and porn for adults, which is prostitution filmed and should be de facto illegal, sits and grows.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
So you say, that the US is not a Christian Country.
Maybe then you can explain why in the U.S. Constitution it has God made mentioning of. That all men are created equal by the creator God. It pretty much sounds like the U.S. being a Christian nation. Go Figure
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
No, it does not. There is no mention of God in the Constitution. The whole point is to form a secular government.
The Declaration of Independence mentions Nature's God, but the DoI is not a law, it is a letter, an essay to King George citing the reasons for independence.
Moreover, there is no mention of Jesus or his Father or Jehovah or Yahweh. It's a false memory that it has those mentions.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Treaty of Tripoli.
Milton Platt
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Actually, the Bible says if you look at a woman with lust in your heart, you have committed adultery.
It does not make a qualification in the verse that states this, so I always wondered how a single person looking at a single woman lustfully is in any way adultery.
If a man never looked at a woman with lust, it is doubtful there would be any marriages, since that happens before and leads to marriage, right? Sure, there could still be arranged marriages, like in the times these verses were written.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
By these truths in the Declaration of Independence, we the American people stand by each and every July 4th.
This is why the people of the United States celebrates July 4th as to our Independence from Great Britain.
By the Declaration of Independence is what the United States are base on and have held as Truth. That all men are created equal by the creator God.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
The documents forming our government mention god because some of the people who wrote them were theist. Others were not. \that's the extent of it.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
No problem.
There is no mention of any god(s) in the Constitution. I've always been impressed by the fact that the US Constitution is the first (and possibly only) explicitly secular constitution of any country in the world.
Declaration of independence is simply rhetoric. It has no legal standing. The Constitution is the thing that counts and it does not express any inspiration or subservience to any God.