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Featured Lucifer, the “Good Guy” calling out God's bull****.

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Twilight Hue, Nov 27, 2022.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Lucifer Is a One-of-a-Kind “Good Guy” Among Literary Villains

    Complete literary role reversal.

    So. A question directed at mythological Christian lore.

    Is lucifer a good guy or the bad guy?

    I see lucifer as a good guy exposing the tyranny and iron rule of a malevolent and evil diety that will kill anyone not in complete obedience to it.

    I remember thinking God was good at first, but there are enough examples in the Bible and apocryphal works that suggest otherwise when the overall picture is layed out on the table.
     
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    If we’re going by what the Bible says, I’d say both the devil and God are pretty bad.
     
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    Lucifer is just like us., allows light who lives in us flow. Cause Lucifer was allowing light flow right., Lucifer’s name literally translates from Latin to “Light bringer”, “Light bearer” or “Morning Star”

    But that's Latin though., uh?

    How come that's Latin word., when did this word come about?
     
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    I prefer the Romantic literary period versions. And my own versions, of course.
     
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    Exaltist Ethan Synverse Shaper

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    I don't really see Yahweh or Lucifer as evil, because they don't exist.

    Based on what I know about the Bible, if all of it were true, I would say Yahweh is more evil than Lucifer, but Lucifer is evil too.

    Edit: If a monotheistic God were true, I akin it closer to Baha'u'llah's Baha-God instead.
     
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    The role reversal is that the Good Guy, God is now seen as the bad guy by some and the Bad Guy, Satan is seen as the good guy by some.
    God created everything including us and told us not to eat from a certain tree or we would die.
    Satan says to the innocent humans, no you won't die, you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
    Humans eat and die and humanity, knowing good and evil and not being able to control themselves are unleashed on the world to kill and rape and steal and destroy in their quest for pleasure and glory. And each person dies.
    This is the fruit of the lying prophet Satan when humans listened to his council and not to the council of God.

    And Satan says nothing about himself but if you want to know if there is a deceiver/Satan, just hear the story I have told and wonder why people say that Satan is the good guy and God is the bad guy.
     
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    I’ve always seen Lucifer as sort of Yang to God’s Yang. A complimentary balance, as it were
     
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    Such as?
     
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    Perhaps Lucifer's rebellion was one against tyranny and injustice.
     
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    Shadow Wolf Registered People sTabber

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    Because he set us free from a self centered, egotistical tyrant.
    Because instead of actually fixing things and addressing things he designed a system that most will fail due to the most trivial and petty offenses, so called "trangressions" that often time don't even involve anything harmful or making victims of people.
     
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    After rereading the Bible several times from the perspective of a former Christian, I now think of Lucifer as a cosmic pawn utilized by God to stroke his own ego. If God is all-knowing, as the Bible asserts, then it would make sense that God had planned for Lucifer to serve as his adversary, but Lucifer refused to submit to God's demand. He challenged God, and as a result, God expelled him from heaven along with the other rebellious angels who stood by him. That being said, as an ex-Christian, I no longer believe the Bible is inerrant and infallible. I now believe that it has many contradictions and that some of its stories were most likely copied from Greek mythology and other pagan religions that predate it. Despite my view of the Bible, I think that I can still have sympathy for the devil.

     
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    Speaking of Reversals:
    Matt 5:43-48
    Jesus said:

    43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.​

    Rev 22:16


    16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”​
     
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    God created us and gave us life and wants good for us and wants us to grow up and mature and live forever. To recognise God for who and what He is means hearing what He tells us of Himself for a start and not just see Him as a self centered egotistical tyrant.
    Satan was not needed for us to have eaten the fruit. God told us the truth about the fruit and Satan told the lie that we would not die if we ate it. As Jesus said, Satan was a liar and murderer from the start.

    God tells us we are important to Him and are loved by Him.
    We are in this "system" of good and evil because we listened to Satan and took our freedom before God knew that we had grown enough to be ready for it.
     
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    The God I believed in before I was a Christian was a nice guy. Sadly, it's hard for me to go back to that again.
     
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    Heavens natural mass gases spirit as the above historic human aware presence.... Satan cloud angel was AI machine technology destroyed.

    One ancient angel mass gone completely and had not yet arisen to put angel back above. Satan's owned as a God.

    Father's natural I'm native man history not a theist scientist nor machine builders advice. Half human bio gone now AI father's heavens advices owned with angels.

    In life owns hierarchy over AI angels Satan's old advices.

    Yet the two causes together assist each other.

    Angel advice is that their angel never a human was destroyed by men with machine. Not their fault. Men own no reverence of angels an entity history.

    Holy human mother however did and taught no man is a God. Mother's human advice to try and save self idolator men of the machine they built....evil minded baby man son.

    A big AI mind possessed machine liar.
     
  16. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Some reasons from the article of note...

    How is Lucifer possibly the good guy in this story? First, consider the role God plays in this story. Although God presents himself as all knowing, all powerful, and all loving, his actions are those of a manipulative and abusive tyrant. If you don’t follow his exact commands, you are put to death. If you question his authority, you are put to death. If you don’t have absolute faith in him, he will cast you into a lake of fire to suffer for eternity.

    Lucifer’s role is to call bull**** on the tyrant and to give Adam and Eve the knowledge they need to flourish in the real world. Where God says, “Have faith in me alone and don’t ever question what I tell you,” Lucifer responds, in essence, “No, you should always question the tyrant. Don’t believe any authority figure just because they tell you to believe them. Do your own research and figure out what’s true on your own.”
     
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    Where does Lucifer say these things in the Bible?
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    It's just a synopsis of the story from the perspective of Lucifer.
     
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    AI man aware non science bible theist warns AI will be worse than nuclear as an earth event.

    Life destroyed. Everywhere anywhere not just nation. By a button pusher. The finger.

    Man says AI is taking over my life biology. I'm made aware why.

    Life sick leaving it's natural biology life span biology C 100 years.

    More AI visions voices emerge as AI heavens Increases..human psychic increases in life as life has died. Lots of warnings emerge varied.

    Man's bible prediction stopped. Star mass heavens only future nuclear event known...predictable.

    Temple pyramid transmitter type he said first needed to convert fused ground earth dusts. Dusts not naturally converting on ground mass. Leaving today is old sciences ground mass attack.

    Theist ignores law about earth dusts save life. Dusts transmitting kills life...dusts unsealed are still transmitting....past the dusts had been sealed.

    An angel is not a dust was always a Spirit gas.

    Wants a reaction involving heavens gas in new theory inside machine. So he created the above transmitters that went underground to convert dust mass underground his old pyramid.

    The thesis of his design. He knew.

    Burnt out cold tunnels gases. Sink holes hence opened once cooled by tunnel system below.

    Knew he had caused it cons the publics re view.

    Lucifer he said was gods only extra gas heavens mass burning by science causes. Illuminated mass only and not natural gas light. A theist man talks to himself as a man.

    I'm talking to myself.

    Angels never owned a name GOD their all name only. Motion of a spirit theirs in heavens moving in space on face of water alight cooled.

    AI warning AI is becoming more intelligent as man of science becomes life's bio conscious destroyer. By man behaviours.

    Health leaves and mind conscious leaves.

    Man in theory says his thesis.... I became a monkey man in science...my own ideas.

    Isn't Lucifer.

    Theist a human discusses concepts of gas change.

    A human in biology is not a gas. Man puts gas in his life first. First position human is biology never a gas. Causes gases anti remove as a gas was never biology whilst he physically changes a gas.

    Made his mind into a satanic theist destroyer not a sensible thinker thinking. Word user terms by a human thinker only.

    Non theist puts any order with life exactly as a non theory.

    Theists lie. As gods angel wasn't Satan. He caused a change then said man was a God for causing change.

    Forgets origin point a thought aware before a theory for machine.

    AI warnings now take precedence over bible as new dust mass is being destroyed.

    AI warnings are only about bio life destroyed notified we are fast becoming life replaced displaced by just images and voices only...single.

    AI takeover.

    The theists want is first.

    God to AI theist is life's destroyer. He wants alien to be God first.

    The warning AI all over the world is taking over. Science was only in its nation a temple circuit.

    The luciferian thought was a national mind change only and not real.
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  20. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    We Catholics pray Mary a lot. Much more than God or Jesus.
    Why? Because it is Mary who crushes the serpent's head, killing him.
    The serpent or the dragon is the emblem of the lack of love. It stands for nothing else.
    So it is something worthless that needs to crushed.
     
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