Jumi
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That's the only way to come to that conclusion, yes.You have to read between the lines.
That's in the New Testament.Jesus said He saw satan fall as lightening from heaven. (Luke 10:18)
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That's the only way to come to that conclusion, yes.You have to read between the lines.
That's in the New Testament.Jesus said He saw satan fall as lightening from heaven. (Luke 10:18)
I'm looking at Ezekiel 28, especially Verses 11-19, that might be interpreted that way. It's obviously a reference to the Cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant, with "your mountings and settings were crafted of gold" and the precious stones and such. It's interesting how the thetorah.com site mentioned that the Cherubim were to be placed so they confront one another (as in adversarial) and the word used to denote this is also used to suggest brothers, {like the adversarial Cain and Abel;} and that the Cherubim were also placed to guard Eden.Where in the Hebrew Bible is satan referred to as fallen angel?
Her name was Inanna initially. The name Lucifer came later.
She might have something to say about your intentions towards her.
So it doesn't really say that, you've just got to pretend that it does with "interpretation".You have to read between the lines.
Inanna-Ishtar has less to do with Lucifer than Satan does.Her name was Inanna initially.
None of these verses use the name, Lucifer, in at least this version, of the English Bible.How do you explain 2 Peter 1:19 and Revelation 22:16 (as well as Revelation 2:28 ?)
The Latin version does use Lucifer for the Greek Phosphoros in 2 Peter 1:19. Revelation mentions Jesus as the Morning Star, but not using using the term Phosphoros.None of these verses use the name, Lucifer, in at least this version, of the English Bible.
There are several translations of the English Bible. Most of the English versions on Biblegateway.com don't even use even use the word Lucifer at all. Where Lucifer is used in some of the English Bibles, it is not replaced with the word "Satan" in the English Bibles that don't use the term lucifer at all. Instead, the term "morning star" or "day-star" is used.My comment. Note that I specify the English Bible.
Your question.
My comment, that none of these verses use Lucifer, in this Bible.
I specified the English Bible.
Inanna-Ishtar has less to do with Lucifer than Satan does.
Yeah, it's like the Ancient Egyptians with Isis accompanying Ra during the day and Nephthys accompanying Ra through the duat at night. "Ascend and Descend. Descend with Nephthys, sink into the darkness with the Night-bark. Ascend and Descent. Ascend with Isis, arise with the Day-Bark." (from the Pyramid texts, I think. I'd have to look it up to be sure.)Only for those who fail to see the linkages. Both names have associations with the planet Venus.
No, only for those who 'want' to see the linkages (associations).Only for those who fail to see the linkages. Both names have associations with the planet Venus.
Lucifer isn't used for Jesus, in the English Bible, so, not really sure what your argument is.There are several translations of the English Bible. Most of the English versions on Biblegateway.com don't even use even use the word Lucifer at all. Where Lucifer is used in some of the English Bibles, it is not replaced with the word "Satan" in the English Bibles that don't use the term lucifer at all. Instead, the term "morning star" or "day-star" is used.
You misunderstood what Crossfire said . . .Lucifer isn't used for Jesus, in the English Bible, so, not really sure what your argument is.
It's clear that the 'fallen angel', in the English Bible, relates to other verses about Satan.
Where the name Satan, is used.
No, only for those who 'want' to see the linkages (associations).
Well, think about it: where exactly did Jesus come from before he came to earth to live as a human and die?Lucifer isn't used for Jesus, in the English Bible, so, not really sure what your argument is.
It's clear that the 'fallen angel', in the English Bible, relates to other verses about Satan.
Where the name Satan, is used.
When Jesus called Peter "Satan," was he saying that Peter was a 'fallen angel?'Lucifer isn't used for Jesus, in the English Bible, so, not really sure what your argument is.
It's clear that the 'fallen angel', in the English Bible, relates to other verses about Satan.
Where the name Satan, is used.
That is up for some interpreration.When Jesus called Peter "Satan," was he saying that Peter was a 'fallen angel?'
Again, Lucifer is not used for Jesus, in the English Bible.The Latin version does use Lucifer for the Greek Phosphoros in 2 Peter 1:19. Revelation mentions Jesus as the Morning Star, but not using using the term Phosphoros.
2 Peter 1:19 the word is translated as Morning Star or Day-Star in most English versions. Like I mentioned earlier, many, if not most, English translations of the Bible don't even use the word "Lucifer."Either Lucifer, is used for Jesus, in the English Bible, or it isn't.
In the English Bible, both Lucifer and Satan, refer directly, to a fallen angel.
So are you saying that Jesus was calling Peter a fallen angel, or not, at Matthew 16:23 and Mark 8:33?That is up for some interpreration.
The fact is, in the English Bible, they used 'Lucifer', referring to a fallen angel. Elsewhere, 'satan', is used for a fallen angel.
Clearly, the intent is that satan as a direct name inference, and not a description, means the fallen angel.