Lucifer & Satan: Same, different, or what?

[Desert Snake]

This thread is for beliefs and opinions regarding Satan and Lucifer.

Same, or different...?

Ideally, a detailed belief, without being too vague, and what are the differences, etc, if you believe they are different.

 

[crossfire]

Lucifer = ego
Satan = id/superego fighting, ie, failure of ego to do its job

Another way to look at it from a Jungian perspective:
Lucifer = ego
Satan = Shadow

Your mileage may vary.

 

[crossfire]

There is this, as well: Light in the darkness (exploring the unconscious) and dark in the light (Shadow projection.)

 

[crossfire]

Satan is the Abrahamic adversary. Lucifer is the Greco-Roman Morning Star--light bearer.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Lucifer = ego
Satan = id/superego fighting, ie, failure of ego to do its job

Another way to look at it from a Jungian perspective:
Lucifer = ego
Satan = Shadow

Your mileage may vary.

Uh OH Freudian in the house!

 

[crossfire]

Uh OH Freudian in the house!

I juggle a lot of different psychological systems--Freud, Jung, and Yogacara among them.

 

[crossfire]

Therefore, you are stating that Lucifer, is Greco Roman.

The name Lucifer itself is Roman. The Morning Star archetype has many different manifestations outside the Greco-Roman paradigm. For instance, Buddha became enlightened when he saw the Morning Star rise during the third watch of the night while meditating under the Bodhi Tree.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I juggle a lot of different psychological systems--Freud, Jung, and Yogacara among them.

That's cool man I can dig it

 

[Jumi]

Lucifer is a pagan god or Latin term, satan is an angel (not a god) and a Hebrew term with different meanings. How they came to mean the same thing is lazy reads of the Bible.

 

[Faithofchristian]

In the old testament its ( Lucifer )
In the new testament it's ( Satan )
Both are one and the same being.

 

[Stanyon]

Uh OH Freudian in the house!

There is a lot of pop psychology that is accepted as gospel truth within some Luciferian/Satanic systems and plenty of self proclaimed enlightened souls who seem to think it applies universally.

 

[Jumi]

In the old testament its ( Lucifer )

Jews never used the word lucifer for the morning star. Satan is in the old testament.

In the new testament it's ( Satan )

Lucifer is in the new testament, depends on which translation you take as gospel.

 

[Desert Snake]

I voted different, even though, in some intended usage, they are meant to mean the same being.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Jews never used the word lucifer for the morning star. Satan is in the old testament.


Lucifer is in the new testament, depends on which translation you take as gospel.

Can you give the book and chapter and verse, as to where Satan is made mention of in the old testament.

 

[Jumi]

Can you give the book and chapter and verse, as to where Satan is made mention of in the old testament.

We can start with Job 1:6. Where is Lucifer in the Old Testament? In one mistranslated verse.

 

[Thief]

This thread is for beliefs and opinions regarding Satan and Lucifer.

Same, or different...?

Ideally, a detailed belief, without being too vague, and what are the differences, etc, if you believe they are different.

I link the title to Adversary

when I see either name.....I picture opposition to the will of God

 

[crossfire]

Can you give the book and chapter and verse, as to where Satan is made mention of in the old testament.

Search for Strong's H7854 Satan שָׂטָן
http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7854&t=KJV
27 results

 

[crossfire]

There is a lot of pop psychology that is accepted as gospel truth within some Luciferian/Satanic systems and plenty of self proclaimed enlightened souls who seem to think it applies universally.

Everyone has their own unique psychological hang ups they have to deal with, so each person has to find what works for themselves.
Your mileage may vary.

 

[crossfire]

Here is the entry for Strong's G5459 phōsphoros φωσφόρος, which is translated as lucifer in the Latin Vulgate.

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5459&t=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Peter1:19&version=HCSB;VULGATE

2 Peter 1:19 So we have the prophetic word strongly confirmed. You will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dismal place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

This is exactly how I see the Morning Star/Lucifer working in my belief system.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[crossfire]

Here's the entry for H1966 heylel הֵילֵל
http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H1966&t=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 14:12&version=HCSB;VULGATE

It also refers to the Morning Star.
It also referred to the King of Babylon in the verse it is mentioned in.

Isaiah 14:12 Shining morning star,
how you have fallen from the heavens!
You destroyer of nations,
you have been cut down to the ground.

So, why do you think Jesus, who is also referred to as the Morning Star (in Revelation 22:16) refuse "All the kingdoms of the Earth" when Satan offered them to him Matthew 4? Could it be because of the warning in Isaiah 14:12? Power corrupts. Or, as Carl Jung put it:

Where love rules, there is no will to power; and where power predominates, there love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other.
~ Carl Jung, Psychology of the Unconscious, pg 97.​