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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by IndigoChild5559, Sep 21, 2018.

  1. Audie

    Audie Well-Known Member

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    Why yes; that is news of the well known.

    More importantly, you agree that ToE does not in any way
    support "racial superiority"?
     
  2. Earthling

    Earthling David Henson
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    What you are seeing in that video is the British soon after the liberation of the camp. The contention is that people who were not capable of working were taken straight to the gas chambers and then cremated in the crematoriums. The dead you see there are emaciated from starvation and disease, not infirm or ashes. No one was gassed in gas chambers and cremated. And nowhere near 6 million Jews.

    The gas chambers were used to delouse clothes of the prisoners in order to prevent bug carrying diseases. Much like when you go in the armed forces, jail or prison. They take your clothes and give you a uniform. And in the armed forces, shave your head. All to prevent disease.

     
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    Both are too often terribly misunderstood and quite often by the same people.
     
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  4. Earthling

    Earthling David Henson
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    No, but rather, you seemed duped by wartime propaganda which history now confirms as such. Yours is an emotional approach, mine is factual.
     
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    So you're saying, Hitler just wanted to clean these people up?

    You sound like Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    I know survivors.

    You've been misled, @RothschildSaxeCoburgGotha . I've seen the ovens and the "showers".
     
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  6. Earthling

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    Did you notice that the doors on the showers had handles on the inside? Do you think they would have handles on the inside where prisoners were being gassed? Do you think that prisoners would not take advantage of those handles? You've seen the ovens? They can fit only 1 person at a time, correct? Do the math. How long did they allegedly cremate those that had been gassed? How many? How could they have come anywhere near close to cremating that many people in that short period of time when it takes at least 2 hours to cremate a body even with today's modern technology?

    I've heard Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speak on the subject, and he is correct.
     
  7. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    And a great many of them were Catholics and Lutherans. My former rabbi's family was saved by a series of Catholic families in the Netherlands working in conjunction with one another. Much the same happened whereas many Protestants helped hide and take care of the innocent.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Most were not cremated but buried in huge pits after being shot or starved to death. I've seen those pits in Poland as I visited three of the death camps there.
     
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    No it is a straight forward documented and photographed body count including seven tons of hair, and thousands of empty Jewish villages..

    This type of an attempt to rewrite history is unbelievably deplorable.
     
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  10. Fool

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    fyi, israel wasn't a jew

    judaism borrowed from the egyptian, the chaldean, the hindu, the babylonian.


    jesus, who supposedly was a jew, said the two greatest commandments were to love self and other as self. that is basically the golden rule. the golden rule was long in place before judaism.

    like isaiah. i could care less what people wear. i care about how people behave.

    And we all have become like one unclean, and like a discarded garment are all our righteous deeds, and we all have withered like a leaf, and our iniquities carry us away like the wind.
     
  11. Audie

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    Seriously. What is wrong with some people?
     
  12. Earthling

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    What I dispute is gassing and the number 6 million.
     
  13. rrobs

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    You are complaining to the wrong person. You should complain to whoever wrote the Torah. That would be Yhvah, so be careful when you question His judgement.

    Shemot 32:9,

    And the Lord said to Moses: "I have seen this people and behold! they are a stiff necked people."
    On the other hand, instead of getting worked up by Christians calling you anything, why not quote Romans at them? Even if you don't regard the NT as truth, they do, so they ought to get the point.

    Rom 2:1,

    Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
    So to some degree or another we are, Jew and Christian alike, all stiff necked and stubborn. But not to worry, grace trumps it all. God loves all of us just because He does, not because any of us deserve it.
     
  14. Earthling

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    Did I sneak into Auschwitz and change this sign from 4 million people . . .

    holocaust4.gif

    to 1 1/2 million people?


    auschwitz-birkenau-state.jpg

    And you have to ask yourself, how did the deaths in 1 camp go down by 2 1/2 million without changing the overall estimate of 6 million?

    You would think an educated man of science such as yourself would put a little thought into your claims.
     
  15. metis

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    I saw several of the gas chambers but, again, these were not what killed most.

    And why would you dispute the 6 million? Did you actually study the NAZI mechanism for their use of genocide? What about the roughly 5 million non-Jews who were killed? Is that estimate wrong as well? How can you tell?

    What was especially confirming of the 6 million is the simple fact that Jews tended to form more homogenous societies, thus counting them was easier than counting the 5 million.

    But neither of these numbers was or is just based on guesswork if you bother to do the research. The first estimates were much lower than that, but once the counting was being done it quickly became apparent that the number was much higher.
     
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    Unfortunately, you can't compare most professed Christian organizations to Jesus!

    Jesus never encouraged his followers to hurt others...in fact he told his followers to love even their enemy.

    So if his supposed followers willfully hurt others, it can't be blamed on Jesus.
     
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  17. metis

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    I was in Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1991 on a three-week study and was with six survivors, including a close friend of mine. I never saw those signs, but it's entirely possible that they, assuming they actually exist and are not a fabrication, may reflect earlier estimates as I explained in my last post.
     
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    Mostly because it seems that the initial 4 million number wasn't about the Jewish deaths. This is all old stuff. Have fun.

    Holocaust Denial | My Jewish Learning

    "In fact, the actual numbers were inflated, but not by Jewish historians trying to guilt the world into compensation. The Soviets overstated the number of non-Jewish victims for propaganda purposes. A noted historian, Raul Hillberg, estimated just over a million deaths at Auschwitz. He did that in 1950, and estimates by historians such as him have been always been the scholarly basis for determining the number of victims."

    Here is some info about the number 6 million. Of course, the source is from Israel, so who trusts "them"?

    Holocaust facts: Where does the figure of 6 million victims come from?
     
  19. Earthling

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    According to whom? The Germans who were tortured at Nuremberg? The Russian, British and American wartime propaganda? The number 6 million was established as early as the 1800's. The Jews wanted a false flag sacrifice to garner support for the Balfour declaration of 1917. Which was against international law.

    The holocaust as we know it is myth. Propaganda.

     
  20. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    What???

    And I've run across people like you many times before with such an agenda.
     
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