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Love your enemies

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Unveiled Artist, Feb 18, 2020.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

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    Do you believe you can love your enemies?

    If so, would it make sense to call the person you love an enemy?

    Love your enemies means for example loving (and forgiving) Hitler.

    Do you love your enemies?
     
  2. Eddi

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    No, not really although I acknowledge they are entitled to be treated with a certain level of compassion and I don't wish death on them, or anything like that

    But I don't hate them either

    I think the most important thing is this: I neither trust or respect them

    Well, I say "them", but in my experience I really mean "him" - it's a long and outrageous story!
     
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  3. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    No, not possible for me at least. I am very selective on who i consider an enemy, i restrict it to those who have done me or mine harm. Knowing people as i do not give those people a second chance because once they have committed there act no matter how much you love them they are likely to repeat themselves. A lesson i have learned and to date have no cause to revise
     
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  4. Unveiled Artist

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    Hm. What is love outside of compassion, trust, and respect?
     
  5. Unveiled Artist

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    (I've read this)

    Do you feel you have to accept their actions in order to love them?

    Would the love you give depend on their actions and not your own?
     
  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Lets take a real life example.
    I accept the that IRA took off my aunts arm in a deliberate terror attack. Could i love them? No.

    Love, respect etc is earned, it is not to be given freely.
     
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    Loving your enemy is a beautiful rethorical trick that basically means ''surrendering to your enemies'', but framing it in such a way the person surrendering might feel like they are actually winning. Don't love your enemy. Seek to understand them if only to be better able to defeat them.
     
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  8. Eddi

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    I neither love, like, hate, or respect my one and only enemy (who I've had no contact with since 2016)

    But I believe that like all humans he is worthy of compassion - not that I want to show him any... but someone else can!

    So I don't wish death or suffering on him, I just want nothing to do with him

    Being consumed with hate for him would be a victory for him, the best thing I can do is forget and move on

    Neither love nor hate
     
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    It has been said that hate is not the opposite of love.

    They aren't wrong. Both require passion and care. They draw from the same well of deeply-held values and emotions. We love to hate the things that are against our values. It reinforces our identities and our stories. Without our enemies, our lives would be that much more devoid of meaning. So in that sense, we love them all.

    Just a musing thought of the day...
     
  10. Unveiled Artist

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    How does love equate to surrender?

    Do you need to love their actions in order to love the person?
     
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    Of course you need to love their actions to love a person. You can't read minds or look into their interior lives. What you know of people is what they do.
     
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    Would it be healthy to find compassion for him later in life?

    If there is neither love nor hate (indifferent) than why would you not talk to him (why would someone not talk if they're feelings are no longer love or hate towards that person?) I assume indifference would rid one?

    In other words, there is no reason to forget a person when you're indifferent about your feelings towards him or her.
     
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    Because you cannot win under those circumstances. You can't even make more than a token resistence without breaking that love bond. Thus, you de facto surrender.
     
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    An oddball example. That would mean a person who cannot "do" anything all their life (medical reason, maybe) isn't worthy of love?

    Do you love people as human beings?
     
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    For me, I don't have enemies. I can't find anyone I hate so much that I would not speak to him or her as a human being. If my life were in danger or there is negativity that I can't physically and mentally handle, I would need to draw barriers. If I had a child and someone hurt my child, I'd have to protect him from that person. But to call that person my enemy?

    If displaying love because of our religion and morals are based on another person's actions (and with a clause), no one would love anyone. They'd always blame them for their actions and find no peace in humanity until everyone is worthy of their criteria of love.
     
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    Well, this guy is a total sponge...

    He abused the friendship he had with me for financial gain and did the same to at least one other person too

    It is a catalogue of financial abuse and sponging

    He basically uses his charm to befriend people and then sponges - classic sociopathic behaviour

    He calls you "friend" and "brother" but all he does is take, take, take, whilst promising to pay back (which never happens)

    Letting him back into my life would be allowing him to sink his vampire teeth into my neck again, and he would do it again, he will never change because he is weak and has the maturity of a child - he is a man-child, but that's no excuse!
     
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    "Enemy" of any other cognomen or appellation, someone
    who has taken pleasure in inflicting grave harm is not someone
    to forgive.

    I think most of the people who are so quick to "forgive"
    and just virtue signalling, and, trying to fool themselves.
     
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  18. ChristineM

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    Been there too, believe me, you would never consider the culprit(s) anything but an enemy.
     
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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Absolutely right.

    Maybe they simply lack the experience so don't actually know how they would feel
     
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    Concerning two individuals-
    I might be able to have compassion under the most
    extraordinary conditions.
    Trust or respect? Not a chance.
     
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