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Love For All, Hatred For None

Discussion in 'Resources' started by dybmh, Jun 23, 2019.

  1. dybmh

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    "Love for All Hatred for None is a universal motto of peace, justice, equality, love, understanding, and mutual reconciliation. The motto was coined by the third spiritual leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hazrat Mirza Nasir Ahmad (ra).
    Hazrath Mirza Nasir Ahmad (ra) coined this motto on occasion of the inauguration of the first mosque in Spain in the last 700 years on October 9, 1980. Elaborating on this motto he said, “Islam teaches us to live with mutual love and affection and with humility.”
    Islam means Peace and in-order to uphold principles of peace, one needs mutual love and affection. How can one ensure mutual love is continuously spread, clearly with humility? I believe humility aspect is the key reason why ‘Hatred for None’ is present in the motto. If one is humble, one acknowledges that they have many shortcomings and learns to overlook shortcomings of others which help foster an atmosphere of hatred for none."

    A History and Description of the Ahmadiyya Motto: Love for All, Hatred for None
     
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    I do believe that all the anti-Islamic folks have just blown a gasket with your thread..
     
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    I met his successor, Mirza Tahir AhmadMirza Tahir Ahmad, in the 1990s. A most amiable person.
     
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    In spite of all the religious and racial discord people complain about, I believe that the vision of love and unity that Baha'u'llah had in the latter part of the 19th Century is slowly coming to fruition.

    Love for all and hatred for none is a basic principle of the Baha'i Faith as evidenced by many, many passages. Below is one of my most favorite passages....

    “The Purpose of the one true God, exalted be His glory, in revealing Himself unto men is to lay bare those gems that lie hidden within the mine of their true and inmost selves. That the divers communions of the earth, and the manifold systems of religious belief, should never be allowed to foster the feelings of animosity among men, is, in this Day, of the essence of the Faith of God and His Religion. These principles and laws, these firmly-established and mighty systems, have proceeded from one Source, and are the rays of one Light. That they differ one from another is to be attributed to the varying requirements of the ages in which they were promulgated.

    The utterance of God is a lamp, whose light is these words: Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship. He Who is the Day Star of Truth beareth Me witness! So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth. The one true God, He Who knoweth all things, Himself testifieth to the truth of these words.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 287-288
     
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  5. sun rise

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    This is a universal sentiment echoed by some in all religions. I applaud anyone who subscribes to it.
     
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    Can you see any religious system that lives up to this motto? Even those who claim to be peaceful will justify violence when it seem appropriate. But for those who are followers of Christ, no such justification exists.

    Jesus said..."You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:43-48)

    Loving our enemies can never mean doing harm to them in any way....even if they are asking for it. :p

    Paul's words sum it up...."Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.20 But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good."

    The true Christians are the ones who live up to those tenets. When there is a war, they cannot justify violence by substituting patriotism for Christianity......which has no nationality. (Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35) So if a Christian on one side of a conflict, kills his brother on the other side, we have to ask whose side God is on....? Since God does not take sides in the conflicts of men, then he is on no one's side. Both are going against the teachings of the Christ.....

    1 John 4:20-21..."If anyone says, “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For the one who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21 And we have this commandment from him, that whoever loves God must also love his brother."

    Again it separates the genuine Christians from the fake ones, of whom Jesus says at the judgment..."I never knew you. Get away from me you workers of lawlessness". (Matthew 7:21-23)

    So, as I see it, "love for all, hatred for none" is only really fulfilled in genuine Christianity.

     
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    It comes with caveats though, for example in Ahmadiyyah one cannot love the non-muslim man to such an extent that they would allow their Muslim daughter to be married to them. And marriage with an idolater is totally forbidden.
     
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    Or in any religion or by any people who follow what Jesus taught. :)
     
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  9. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    That is great, a short quote containing many spiritual truths. Then we can rightly ask as to how we can overcome hate?

    It reminded me of this talk given by Abdul'baha, just as He was leaving America in 1912. It was his advice as to how we could be a true follower of Faith.

    "This my fourth or fifth visit here, and now I am going away to the Orient. It will be difficult for me to visit this country again except it be the will of God. I must, therefore, give you my instructions and exhortations today, and these are none other than the teachings of Bahá’u’lláh. You must manifest complete love and affection toward all mankind. Do not exalt yourselves above others, but consider all as your equals, recognizing them as the servants of one God. Know that God is compassionate toward all; therefore, love all from the depths of your hearts, prefer all religionists before yourselves, be filled with love for every race, and be kind toward the people of all nationalities. Never speak disparagingly of others, but praise without distinction. Pollute not your tongues by speaking evil of another. Recognize your enemies as friends, and consider those who wish you evil as the wishers of good. You must not see evil as evil and then compromise with your opinion, for to treat in a smooth, kindly way one whom you consider evil or an enemy is hypocrisy, and this is not worthy or allowable. You must consider your enemies as your friends, look upon your evil-wishers as your well-wishers and treat them accordingly. Act in such a way that your heart may be free from hatred. Let not your heart be offended with anyone. If some one commits an error and wrong toward you, you must instantly forgive him. Do not complain of others. Refrain from reprimanding them, and if you wish to give admonition or advice, let it be offered in such a way that it will not burden the bearer. Turn all your thoughts toward bringing joy to hearts. Beware! Beware! lest ye offend any heart. Assist the world of humanity as much as possible. Be the source of consolation to every sad one, assist every weak one, be helpful to every indigent one, care for every sick one, be the cause of glorification to every lowly one, and shelter those who are overshadowed by fear.
    In brief, let each one of you be as a lamp shining forth with the light of the virtues of the world of humanity. Be trustworthy, sincere, affectionate and replete with chastity. Be illumined, be spiritual, be divine, be glorious, be quickened of God, be a Baha'i".

    I see all great spiritual teachers, teach this Love that transends all hate.

    Regards Tony
     
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    However the men are allowed non-Ahmadi wives. I have met a few married to Christians.
     
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    Would also point out the hypocrisy of your linked article which states of Mirza Nasir Ahmad, "He had to bear through his entire community being declared Non-Muslim in the Supreme Court of Pakistan" when Mirza Ghulam Ahmad wrote of Muslims who did not accept his call to prophethood -
    In the old version of Tadhkirah (2004 edition and the 1976 english edition and all previous urdu editions) there was an Urdu ilham on page 346:

    “””God almighty has conveyed it to me that every person to whom my call is conveyed and who does not accept me is not a Muslim and is accountable to God for his defult (Letter addressed to Dr. Abdul Hakeem)(April 1906).”””
    Source 2009 Tadhkirah vs. the 2004 Tadhkirah, in terms of Takfir
    Or if you prefer it direct from an Ahmadi source in English, check out the last paragraph on page 87 here;
    The Essence of Islam
     
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    LOL....and who might they be? :shrug: You have to love and serve the God of Jesus....not the god of Mohammad....Yahweh, not Allah. Salvation was to come through the Jews, not Muslims....through Isaac, not Ishmael. So from the scriptural viewpoint, it isn't just those who vaguely follow some of Jesus' teachings that they find convenient....we have to follow ALL of them....and the God we serve does not accept any other religious prophets or teachings.

    You are free to worship whomever you choose, but please don't suggest that the God of the Bible accepts all religions and prophets just because you want your chosen religion to appear to be all things to everyone. According to the Bible, God has never tried to be anything like that. He has always forced people to make choices....sometimes very difficult ones.
     
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    Why is one allowed and not the other?
     
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    Extract from their official website
    Chapter 3: The Islamic Marriage System | Islam Ahmadiyya

    PROHIBITIONS CONCERNING MARRIAGE

    Allah has laid down prohibitions concerning marriage, and other aspects of relations between men and woman.

    1. There are certain people that a Muslim is not permitted to marry. These are listed in the Holy Qur’an (see 4:24 ), and include mother, father, sister, brother, aunts and uncles, nephews and nieces. However, Muslims are permitted to marry cousins. There are still other prohibited marriage relationships. For example, a man cannot marry his stepdaughter if he has cohabited with her biological mother. Nor can he have two sisters in marriage at the same time. (See Holy Qur’an, 4:23).
    2. Islam also makes clear whom a Muslim is allowed to marry as far as his/her religion is concerned. Marriage with an idolater is totally forbidden (see Holy Qur’an, 2:222) for both sexes. However, men are allowed to marry women of the “people of the Book” (i.e., those who follow a revealed scripture), although it is not considered preferable.
    Furthermore, you should be aware that the Promised Messiah (peace be on him) limited the category “people of the Book” to Jewish and Christian women. He has also prohibited Ahmadi women from marrying non-Ahmadi men. The reasoning behind this is very sound. A woman is not permitted to marry outside her faith because when she is in her husband’s home and environment, she and her children are exposed to non-Muslim and non-Ahmadi culture and practices. This makes it very difficult for her to remain steadfast in her own faith and bring up her children as Muslims. A man, on the other hand can more easily influence his wife and bring her into the Islamic way of life.


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    There is no such thing as "the God of the Bible." There is only One God, the God of all the religions, the God who sent all the Prophets. The spiritual teachings of all the Prophets are the same as the teachings of Jesus. They are renewed in every age.
     
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    The Same One God that inspired the quote the OP is about.

    A vision that Christianity needed.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Then this God of yours speaks with a forked tongue....deliberately confusing people with teachings that contradict those who you claim are his own messengers in another age. Is he just capricious?

    Yahweh tells us who he is. He has one name, not many. He has one Christ, his "only begotten son"......Jesus Christ lived and died once...not twice.

    How on earth can you squeeze all those beliefs into one religion when the God of the Bible never did? You have to ignore so much of what the Bible teaches to even remotely accept what Baha'i's believe.
    The Bible teaches that there was one Messiah, who came through Jacob and Isaac...Jesus said that the Jews were God's people, not the Muslims who did not even exist until 600 years after Christ founded Christianity.
    Allah is not Yahweh. Jesus Christ died once, and he was never to return in the flesh, having sacrificed his perfect body, once for all time for the sins of mankind.

    There is no universal religion that is all things to everyone. The various religious systems are not even remotely compatible with each other. They teach completely different doctrines and worship different gods.

    I simply cannot understand how your religion can claim to respect the teachings of Jesus Christ when you apparently just pick and choose what suits you and ignore the rest. Do you have to ignore a lot of what other religions teach too? What is the point?
     
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    Christianity is one faith, not a mix of many...in fact we are told specifically NOT to mix true worship with false worship. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)
     
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    this is the dhamma, the Law, what ever you want to call it but basically it is the idea of unconditional love. love for all as ONE
     
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    isaiah spoke the truth about the garments of religion. do not think religion can cover over any wrong. there is only one thing covers all wrongs and that isn't christianity, or any religion for that matter


    Don't act like the hypocrite, who thinks he can conceal his wiles while loudly quoting the Koran. - Hafez, 14th Century Iranian Poet
     
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