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What have I got? I've got some experience with you, buddy, and unless I'm mistaken you would do anything in your power to demonize, for lack of a better term, the Bible. You are, if memory serves, one of those foam at the mouth atheists, no?

Of course . . . it's an open forum and anyone can participate. Throw your two cents in.

 

Well, it can be interesting you mention wind. I don't know if you are aware or not, but the ancient Hebrew / Greek words for wind and breath are the same words translated spirit. Depending upon the context. The same with soul and life. The ancient Hebrew words for those are the same. What I mean is that they can be translated as either in each case. There may be different words translated as life, but the point is, those words can be translated as either life or soul and either spirit, wind, breath, etc.

 

Well. It's a complex question. If I say do you believe in angels. You probably know what that word means, but if you were the typical atheist you would say no. If I pressed, asking, under absolutely no circumstance do you believe in angels, as appear in the Bible, in the Hebrew / Greek. No.

But, I say, the word means messenger and is applied to mortal men. Just every day Joe's like us.

Well, they don't believe in the other kind of angel. The supernatural. Then you go . . . what is supernatural. Supra Natural. It's a philosophical concept, which is potentially problematic from the start. It just outside of the known natural.

Now when it comes to angels of the Bible that's one thing, but when you talk about the possibility of some similar being inrtra- extra- other- or hyper intelligent pan dimensional beings existing outside of science fiction you may be more open to it.

If you block out the idea before you have even begun to understand it you certainly aren't open to it and probably never will be. Which is okay, you will probably never come across one. Or a black hole. Or a giant squid.

I don't block the possibility out.

 

Yeah. See. Amused can be worse than angry. And I think you can still be a buddy and a girl, pal. Reminds me of the South Park Canadian thing. "I'm not your buddy, friend." "Well, I'm not your guy, friend"

 

My point? The soul dies. It can. It doesn't have to. It does in all of our cases, being from sin. The soul, or life, ends. The soul (life) is sacred. Don't eat the soul (blood) of an animal. Genesis 9:5

No mention of the soul, eh? But what is the Hebrew / Greek words translated soul and are they in the original text? Translated as something else?

Very often an atheist will take the Bible at face value without considering the original language. What were the original language words translated as hell where it appears? Gehenna? Hades? Tartarus? 3 different things translated as hell. Heck, what is the Old English word for hell?

 

No, an angel can be a human messenger or a spirit being from heaven that is a messenger of God, depending upon the context. Examples (Genesis 16:7; Genesis 32:3; James 2:25; Revelation 22:8)

 

Yeah, that's life. Pick the one that makes the most sense. The one that fits.

 

You're not getting it. The soul could die. That is to say life ends. It could be old age, it could be a mauling by a grizzly bear, it could be any death. It doesn't have to be God.

Leviticus 17:11 “For the soul of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have put it upon the altar for you to make atonement for your souls, because it is the blood that makes atonement by the soul in it.”

Leviticus 17:14 “The soul of every sort of flesh is its blood.”

Genesis 19:19-20: Please, now, your servant has found favor in your eyes so that you are magnifying your loving-kindness, which you have exercised with me to preserve my soul alive, but I - I am not able to escape to the mountainous region for fear calamity may keep close to me and I certainly die. Please, now, this city is nearby to flee there and it is a small thing. May I, please, escape there - is it not a small thing? - and my soul will live on.”

Numbers 23:10; "Who has numbered the dust particles of Jacob,
And who has counted the fourth part of Israel?
Let my soul die the death of the upright ones,
And let my end turn out afterward like theirs.”

Joshua 2:13-14; "And you must preserve alive my father and my mother and my brothers and my sisters and all who belong to them, and you must deliver our souls from death.”

At that the men said to her: “Our souls are to die instead of you people! If you will not tell about this matter of ours, it must also occur that when Jehovah gives us the land, we also shall certainly exercise loving-kindness and trustworthiness toward you.”

Judges 5:18; "Zeb′u·lun was a people that scorned their souls to the point of death;
Naph′ta·li also, on the heights of the field."

Judges 16:16; "And it came about that because she pressured him with her words all the time and kept urging him, his soul got to be impatient to the point of dying."

Judges 16:30; "And Samson proceeded to say: “Let my soul die with the Philistines.” Then he bent himself with power, and the house went falling upon the axis lords and upon all the people that were in it, so that the dead that he put to death in his own death came to be more than those he had put to death during his lifetime."

1 Kings 20:31-32; "So his servants said to him: “Here, now, we have heard that the kings of the house of Israel are kings of loving-kindness. Please, let us carry sackcloth upon our loins and ropes upon our heads, and let us go out to the king of Israel. Perhaps he will preserve your soul alive.” Accordingly they girded sackcloth about their loins, with ropes upon their heads, and came in to the king of Israel and said: “Your servant Ben-ha′dad has said, ‘Please, let my soul live.’” To this he said: “Is he still alive? He is my brother.”