Little known about interior of earth

[dad]

Much of the information about what is under the earth comes from seismic waves. Among the assumptions inherent in this method is the assumption that the laws and realities on the surface is identical to whatever is deep in the earth. Unless this was true, we basically know almost nothing about what is actually down there.

From a biblical perspective the descriptions of the interior of this world are pregnant with references to spirits. There is a spiritual component as well as a physical component to what is down there according to Scripture. Science deals only in the physical, and has modelled as if the physical were the only reality involved with 'under the earth'.

Looking at what was learned from the deepest hole ever dug, we find that expectations/predictions of science models were shattered in some areas.

Example:

"While data produced by the Kola drilling project continues to be analyzed, the drilling itself was forced to stop in the early 1990s when unexpectedly high temperatures were encountered. While the temperature gradient conformed to predictions down to a depth of about 10,000 feet, temperatures after this point increased at a higher rate until they reached 180 °C (or 356 °F) at the bottom of the hole. This was a drastic difference from the expected 100 °C (212 °F)."


"..One of the most surprising findings was the absence of the transition from granite to basalt, which scientists had long expected to exist between three and six kilometers below the surface."

Though the discontinuity has been detected beneath all of the continents, the drill at Kola never encountered the proposed layer of basalt. Instead, the granitic rock was found to extend beyond the twelve kilometer point.

Kola Superdeep Borehole

We should question everything science told us about what is beneath the earth, including the hot core claims.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Much of the information about what is under the earth comes from seismic waves. Among the assumptions inherent in this method is the assumption that the laws and realities on the surface is identical to whatever is deep in the earth. Unless this was true, we basically know almost nothing about what is actually down there.

From a biblical perspective the descriptions of the interior of this world are pregnant with references to spirits. There is a spiritual component as well as a physical component to what is down there according to Scripture. Science deals only in the physical, and has modelled as if the physical were the only reality involved with 'under the earth'.

Looking at what was learned from the deepest hole ever dug, we find that expectations/predictions of science models were shattered in some areas.

Example:

"While data produced by the Kola drilling project continues to be analyzed, the drilling itself was forced to stop in the early 1990s when unexpectedly high temperatures were encountered. While the temperature gradient conformed to predictions down to a depth of about 10,000 feet, temperatures after this point increased at a higher rate until they reached 180 °C (or 356 °F) at the bottom of the hole. This was a drastic difference from the expected 100 °C (212 °F)."


"..One of the most surprising findings was the absence of the transition from granite to basalt, which scientists had long expected to exist between three and six kilometers below the surface."

Though the discontinuity has been detected beneath all of the continents, the drill at Kola never encountered the proposed layer of basalt. Instead, the granitic rock was found to extend beyond the twelve kilometer point.

Kola Superdeep Borehole

We should question everything science told us about what is beneath the earth, including the hot core claims.

Sure we should. Just that we should use science to do so.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure we should. Just that we should use science to do so.

But science is ill equipped to measure the spirits living in the mantle.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

But science is ill equipped to measure the spirits living in the mantle.

True enough. Some things will just have to remain a mystery.

 

[dad]

Sure we should. Just that we should use science to do so.

It is understandable you would vote to have your belief set used. Too bad so called science hasn't been down there though. Much of what they think it must be like is based on the BB theory and some planet formation they pulled out of the interior of their nether regions.

 

[McBell]

We should question everything science told us about what is beneath the earth, including the hot core claims.

I much prefer the self correcting system over the set in stone bold empty claims of the ignorant.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Much of the information about what is under the earth comes from seismic waves. Among the assumptions inherent in this method is the assumption that the laws and realities on the surface is identical to whatever is deep in the earth. Unless this was true, we basically know almost nothing about what is actually down there.

From a biblical perspective the descriptions of the interior of this world are pregnant with references to spirits. There is a spiritual component as well as a physical component to what is down there according to Scripture. Science deals only in the physical, and has modelled as if the physical were the only reality involved with 'under the earth'.

Looking at what was learned from the deepest hole ever dug, we find that expectations/predictions of science models were shattered in some areas.

Example:

"While data produced by the Kola drilling project continues to be analyzed, the drilling itself was forced to stop in the early 1990s when unexpectedly high temperatures were encountered. While the temperature gradient conformed to predictions down to a depth of about 10,000 feet, temperatures after this point increased at a higher rate until they reached 180 °C (or 356 °F) at the bottom of the hole. This was a drastic difference from the expected 100 °C (212 °F)."


"..One of the most surprising findings was the absence of the transition from granite to basalt, which scientists had long expected to exist between three and six kilometers below the surface."

Though the discontinuity has been detected beneath all of the continents, the drill at Kola never encountered the proposed layer of basalt. Instead, the granitic rock was found to extend beyond the twelve kilometer point.

Kola Superdeep Borehole

We should question everything science told us about what is beneath the earth, including the hot core claims.

It's why science continues to do experimentation. I agree fully that we should always question what science theorizes but not dismiss the facts that it has already found to be true.

The beauty of it all is when we discover a former theory to be vastly different from what it was. The old theory is scrapped and replaced by the factual confirmations and a new theory is developed later awaiting confirmation or dismissal.

It's the beauty of new discovery and the new questions that it brings. It's what science is all about.

 

[sun rise]

But science is ill equipped to measure the spirits living in the mantle.

Evil spirits presumably.

 

[dad]

I much prefer the self correcting system over the set in stone bold empty claims of the ignorant.

Too bad you have never been to the center of the earth then. Until you have you are ignorant. There is nothing self correcting about beliefs, and grabbing new beliefs when old ones get busted.

 

[dad]

It's why science continues to do experimentation. I agree fully that we should always question what science theorizes but not dismiss the facts that it has already found to be true.

They had to dismiss predictions about how the earth deep down was when they got there and saw they were wrong. So what facts do you think are found to be true about the center of the earth?

The beauty of it all is when we discover a former theory to be vastly different from what it was. The old theory is scrapped and replaced by the factual confirmations and a new theory is developed later awaiting confirmation or dismissal.

I suppose being constantly shown wrong and then grabbing a new idea and hoping it might be right is a beautiful thing for some people. I guess some people think losing at poker is a beautiful thing, because maybe next time they may win.

It's the beauty of new discovery and the new questions that it brings. It's what science is all about.

Leaving the creator our is an ugly thing. It leaves people in the position of never ever possibly being able to find the truth.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

It is understandable you would vote to have your belief set used. Too bad so called science hasn't been down there though. Much of what they think it must be like is based on the BB theory and some planet formation they pulled out of the interior of their nether regions.

It seemed preferable to chicken entrails as a way of trying to determine what's down there.
I'm not really sure what 'belief set' means, in relation to science, but the whole point is that science doesn't 'know' anything. It's a process for validating hypothesis.

Some...like the deep space examples you use...have never progressed past hypothesis not yet falsified, and certainly aren't credibly presented as 'fact'. But by all means, point to what science currently doesn't 'know' if you like. Science doesn't care much, and I don't see what's so insightful about it. There is obviously a monstrously large body of 'fact' humans know either nothing, or very little about. Ignorance is a fact, not an insult, and only fools think otherwise.

 

[McBell]

Too bad you have never been to the center of the earth then.

You are correct.
I have not been to the center of the Earth.
But then, neither have you.

Until you have you are ignorant.

As are you.
But here you are making this thread....

There is nothing self correcting about beliefs, and grabbing new beliefs when old ones get busted.

says who?
I mean, just because you are unable ....


But then, not everyone shares your limitations or beliefs.
Though I wonder why you think we should...

 

[Twilight Hue]

They had to dismiss predictions about how the earth deep down was when they got there and saw they were wrong. So what facts do you think are found to be true about the center of the earth?

I suppose being constantly shown wrong and then grabbing a new idea and hoping it might be right is a beautiful thing for some people. I guess some people think losing at poker is a beautiful thing, because maybe next time they may win.

Leaving the creator our is an ugly thing. It leaves people in the position of never ever possibly being able to find the truth.

That's the reason why there are theories.

It's provisionally based on what is known already until it's confirmed or dismissed and more likely there will be new questions that will rise out of new discoveries and new theories will be formulated based on the facts that they have been confirmed thus far.

Theories are certainly not set in stone and are open for correction and alteration based on what any new confirmed information surfaces. You could say it's a tempering process where a givin theory become stronger or weaker based on new information that further refines the model and the new theory in its place will be even stronger in light of new discoveries and confirmations because it will contain more facts then it had previously.

Theories aren't ego contests on who is right or wrong. It really doesn't work that way. They are educated speculations for which any and all corrections would be wholeheartedly welcomed because the new theory will become more accurate than the prior one. Theories aren't meant to be static like many unsupported religious beliefs are.

Science could not function if theories were static.

 

[dad]

It seemed preferable to chicken entrails as a way of trying to determine what's down there.

So we believe your speculations or it is like chicken guts. Got it.

I'm not really sure what 'belief set' means, in relation to science,

For example on the topic, it means that science believes the physical is all that is involved in the inside of the earth.

but the whole point is that science doesn't 'know' anything.

I think it knows some things. Like how fast light moves i a lab, etc.

It's a process for validating hypothesis.

Not when it comes to belief based hypothesis. Beliefs can't be validated, only believed.

Some...like the deep space examples you use...have never progressed past hypothesis not yet falsified, and certainly aren't credibly presented as 'fact'.

Can you show me what is not matter of fact like in this or millions of other articles?

"Our universe was born about 13.7 billion years ago in a massive expansion that blew space up like a gigantic balloon."
The Big Bang: What Really Happened at Our Universe's Birth? | Space

But by all means, point to what science currently doesn't 'know' if you like.

OK

Science doesn't care much, and I don't see what's so insightful about it.

The issue is not what science 'cares' about. The issue is what is known.

There is obviously a monstrously large body of 'fact' humans know either nothing, or very little about.

The problem is science offers explanations as if they were true and evidence based.

Ignorance is a fact, not an insult, and only fools think otherwise.

It is ignorance offered (by force of law) as science and fact that is the problem.

 

[dad]

You are correct.
I have not been to the center of the Earth.
But then, neither have you.

But then I do not say it was formed as an after effect of the BB, and that the interior of the earth is a specific way and etc as science does.

says who?
I mean, just because you are unable ....

Says the fact you cannot show science claims on the topic to be more than belief based.

But then, not everyone shares your limitations or beliefs.

The issue is the limits of science and they are what they are.

 

[HonestJoe]

We should question everything science told us about what is beneath the earth, including the hot core claims.

That depends on what you mean by "question". As you rightly say, what we understand about the structure of the Earth is based on all sorts of different data but also a whole load of conjecture built around that evidence. The conclusions are very much presented on that basis though and work continues to challenge and reassess it. The drilling project you describe is an example of our current understanding being questioned, seeking direct evidence of aspects we've previously only been able to estimate indirectly. That's how science works.

If by "question", you really mean toss out any and all scientific work and conclusion the moment any one element is proven flawed or incomplete by further scientific study and evidence, then no, that shouldn't happen.

 

[The Anointed]

Much of the information about what is under the earth comes from seismic waves. Among the assumptions inherent in this method is the assumption that the laws and realities on the surface is identical to whatever is deep in the earth. Unless this was true, we basically know almost nothing about what is actually down there.

From a biblical perspective the descriptions of the interior of this world are pregnant with references to spirits. There is a spiritual component as well as a physical component to what is down there according to Scripture. Science deals only in the physical, and has modelled as if the physical were the only reality involved with 'under the earth'.

Looking at what was learned from the deepest hole ever dug, we find that expectations/predictions of science models were shattered in some areas.

Example:

"While data produced by the Kola drilling project continues to be analyzed, the drilling itself was forced to stop in the early 1990s when unexpectedly high temperatures were encountered. While the temperature gradient conformed to predictions down to a depth of about 10,000 feet, temperatures after this point increased at a higher rate until they reached 180 °C (or 356 °F) at the bottom of the hole. This was a drastic difference from the expected 100 °C (212 °F)."


"..One of the most surprising findings was the absence of the transition from granite to basalt, which scientists had long expected to exist between three and six kilometers below the surface."

Though the discontinuity has been detected beneath all of the continents, the drill at Kola never encountered the proposed layer of basalt. Instead, the granitic rock was found to extend beyond the twelve kilometer point.

Kola Superdeep Borehole

We should question everything science told us about what is beneath the earth, including the hot core claims.

GNB Genesis 7: 11-12; When Noah was 600 years old, on the seventeenth day of the second month all the outlets of the vast body of water beneath the earth burst open, all the floodgates of the sky were opened, and rain fell on the earth for forty days and nights.

Concerning the amount of water deep beneath the earth, Steve Jacobsen said; “It would double or triple the known amount of H₂O in the bulk Earth. Just 1 to 2 percent H₂O by weight in the transition zone would be equivalent to 2 to 3 times the amount of H₂O in the oceans,”.

And it’s a good thing, too, Jacobsen told New Scientist: “We should be grateful for this deep reservoir. If it wasn’t there, it would be on the surface of the Earth, and mountain tops would be the only land poking out.”

Psalms 104: 6-9; “You placed the ocean over it like a robe, and the water covered the mountains. When you rebuked the waters, they fled; they rushed away when they heard your shout of command. They flowed over the mountains and into the valleys to the place that you had made for them.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Apparently science has discovered evidence of huge amounts of water, due to the presence of ringwoodite and some other materials I can’t recall at the moment.

 

[Revoltingest]

Evil spirits presumably.

I lack sufficient Bible learn'n to say.

 

[The Anointed]

I lack sufficient Bible learn'n to say.

We know that mate, there is no need to remind us.