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Like evolution, climate change, vaccines, and the moon landing, Corona virus is a liberal hoax.

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
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Premium Member

What can we do to expose the nefarious conspiracies of the deep state?
I find it fascinating that there are people that will accept conspiracies theories that have no support over logical claims that are well supported by evidence. The completely cracked ideas that some will use to support their position or make decisions is both appalling and interesting at the same time. Watching the passion and smugness they bring to bear in defense of them is very revealing of a type of mindset that is grounded in what they believe about the world and not what they know about it.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
"Alien " : a foreigner, or stranger in a land not his own.

" All these died in faith, without receiving the promises. But having seen them and having welcomed them
from a distance, and having confessed that THEY WERE STRANGERS, AND FOREIGNERS (in this world)...."
(Hebrews 11:13-16)

Really? I think you'll find possession is ownership in so many cases. Relying on texts from the past? Not proof to any with a brain. :rolleyes:
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
It's not a hoax, but it's certainly being blown out of proportion.

You wrote that on march 7.
It's march 26 now.

On march 7, worldwide there were about 100k cases and some 3500 deaths.
On march 26, even with all the lockdowns etc in place, worldwide there are about half a million active cases and 21.000 deaths and rising fast.


Do you still think it was / is being blown out of proportion?



The US is in for a VERY rough ride the next couple of weeks. Not only were they far to slow to put in restrictive measures to slow down the spread, even today morons like Trump are still yapping about the economy and not realising the real extent of the problem. Or they do realise it and are in denial.

The US is going to get hit even worse then Italy, I'm sorry to say. Trump is about the worst possible president imaginable for a situation like this.

GOOD leaders show their quality in times of crisis. As long as there is no real crisis, these days developed countries pretty much run themselves, for the most part. Look at Belgium. We literally just broke our own world record of longest time without a proper government. 10 months we had no real government, because those elected don't see eye to eye and as a result don't succeed in forming a proper majority coalition to form a government. I can honestly tell you that we, the citizens, actually barely noticed it.

It's when the sh*t hits the fan that you need strong leadership.
I actually think that we Belgians were LUCKY that we still had an "emergency" government. Our current prime minister "stumbled" into that job. The vast majority of Belgians didn't even know who she was or where she came from. A nobody (as in: non-celebrity) that barely, if at all, cares about elections and party politics. She didn't run for prime minister and ended up in politics almost by accident.

These are the BEST people to handle a crisis such as this one. Other "professional" politicians are too busy worrying about the next elections, getting re-elected, business / economic lobby groups, etc. Just like Trump. Especially like Trump. He is so busy worrying about his image and legacy that he gets paralysed in the face of such crisis.

He is scared to death about being the president under which the economy gets a setback of any kind - no matter the actual cause. This is why the moron is talking about restarting business etc by easter - which is utterly insane and will only result in a complete collapse of the health sector and 10s of thousands of unnecessary and avoidable deaths.


I hope this is a wake up call for all voters of every democracy around the world. Populism is not the answer. Bullies like Trump are not the answer. You want people in power that are responsable, capable and who care more about making the RIGHT decision then they care about party politics or the next election.

In the US, there is also the added factor of "everyone for themselves" style of health care.
Many, many, MANY covid 19 patients are never going to see the inside of a hospital, because their health insurance doesn't cover it or simply because they don't have any. And if these people require respiratory assistance, their fate will be sealed in almost certain death.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
This is what the Bible foretells. Ignore it if you like.....but it was written 2,000 years ago, even predicting man's ability to destroy the earth. How could someone know that 2,000 years ago?

Man has been "destroying" his environment for about 200.000 years now.

Ancient man "settled" in an area, consumed its natural resources and then moved on to another area where they pretty much did the same thing.

Nothing new under the sun.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Very good, you are not that far off,
BUT remember this...….they are not the "aliens" here,
WE (humans) are the "aliens" here.

Then why did you say we need to look at the bottom in the middle of the atlantic ocean to find these "aliens"?
If humans are the aliens, then we won't be finding them on the sea floor - there are no humans there.


Perhaps you should at least try to be consistent in your nonsense.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I find it fascinating that there are people that will accept conspiracies theories that have no support over logical claims that are well supported by evidence. The completely cracked ideas that some will use to support their position or make decisions is both appalling and interesting at the same time. Watching the passion and smugness they bring to bear in defense of them is very revealing of a type of mindset that is grounded in what they believe about the world and not what they know about it.
It's human nature....most people practice "magical thinking".
Magical Thinking
Some I've run across....

Secretly controlling US government, we have....
- The Military Industrial Complex
- The Deep State
- Jews
- The British Crown (I get literature about this from a friend.)
- Oligarchs
- Aliens

Secretly planning to take over US government....
- Marxists
- Muslims
- Atheists

And then there are religions...you know, the ones which are not true.
(No list to be given....I've offended enuf people this week already.)

Oh, sure....people will give me all sorts of evidence for each
of the above conspiracies. But it's never hard evidence.
Just belief, feeling, & bias confirming details.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Man has been "destroying" his environment for about 200.000 years now.

Ancient man "settled" in an area, consumed its natural resources and then moved on to another area where they pretty much did the same thing.

Nothing new under the sun.

You seriously think that humans in any other era had the ability to actually bring the whole planet to the brink of extinction by their own hand? o_O

How many ways can humans “destroy” the Earth today?

Pollution....air, food, water....all the things that sustain life are contaminated by humans and their own artificially produced inventions. This “intelligent” species has proven that it can’t see past the end of its collective, greedy, self-serving nose to envision the catastrophic outcome of their lucrative productions.

Nuclear weapons.....enough stockpiled now to exterminate every living thing in existence. What an achievement! :rolleyes:

Health issues......Mutated viruses and bacteria that were generally the product of humans trying to defeat them with drugs, like anti-biotcs, (which became the panacea for all ills with doctors prescribing them willy nilly) forcing these pathogens to adapt and survive, bigger and stronger than ever so that Superbugs are now lurking in hospitals putting surgical patients and others at risk. Hospitals are now dangerous places.

Previous pandemics were often the result of overcrowding, lack of hygiene and poor nutrition. Today, we also have overcrowding as people are forced to live in polluted cities with fast food, (a diet of choice for many or the only affordable food for others) which is deficient in essential nutrients so that weakened immune systems are no match for something like the current pandemic. Those most at risk are those who are older or immuno-compromised.....those who consume the most Pharma drugs.

Strong immune systems are the only way to combat viruses. Today, our lifestyle in the west contributes to weakened immune systems so that the death rate continues to climb.

So destroying the earth includes destroying life. A dead planet benefits no one.
 

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Staff member
Premium Member
You seriously think that humans in any other era had the ability to actually bring the whole planet to the brink of extinction by their own hand? o_O

How many ways can humans “destroy” the Earth today?

Pollution....air, food, water....all the things that sustain life are contaminated by humans and their own artificially produced inventions. This “intelligent” species has proven that it can’t see past the end of its collective, greedy, self-serving nose to envision the catastrophic outcome of their lucrative productions.

Nuclear weapons.....enough stockpiled now to exterminate every living thing in existence. What an achievement! :rolleyes:

Health issues......Mutated viruses and bacteria that were generally the product of humans trying to defeat them with drugs, like anti-biotcs, (which became the panacea for all ills with doctors prescribing them willy nilly) forcing these pathogens to adapt and survive, bigger and stronger than ever so that Superbugs are now lurking in hospitals putting surgical patients and others at risk. Hospitals are now dangerous places.

Previous pandemics were often the result of overcrowding, lack of hygiene and poor nutrition. Today, we also have overcrowding as people are forced to live in polluted cities with fast food, (a diet of choice for many or the only affordable food for others) which is deficient in essential nutrients so that weakened immune systems are no match for something like the current pandemic. Those most at risk are those who are older or immuno-compromised.....those who consume the most Pharma drugs.

Strong immune systems are the only way to combat viruses. Today, our lifestyle in the west contributes to weakened immune systems so that the death rate continues to climb.

So destroying the earth includes destroying life. A dead planet benefits no one.
I doubt we can bring the whole planet to the brink of extinction even now. We can do some pretty serious harm, but I do not think we could wipe it out yet.

I thought you guys couldn't wait for it all to end.
 

MNoBody

Well-Known Member
maybe somebody got too busy with their new CRISPR tech and look out...pandemic... raccoon city scenario ...oh noes....the sky is falling
but great political hay can be made by adroit political animals in times of extreme crisis.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
You seriously think that humans in any other era had the ability to actually bring the whole planet to the brink of extinction by their own hand? o_O

Man is responsible for the extinction of plenty of species. Man hunts for fun. Man wages wars. Man burns things down. This has always been the case.

Sure, today's industry made it "easier" to do so, but again: nothing new under the sun.


Health issues......Mutated viruses and bacteria that were generally the product of humans trying to defeat them with drugs, like anti-biotcs, (which became the panacea for all ills with doctors prescribing them willy nilly) forcing these pathogens to adapt and survive, bigger and stronger than ever so that Superbugs are now lurking in hospitals putting surgical patients and others at risk. Hospitals are now dangerous places.

Viruses are a natural phenomenon and not man's fault.
Viruses mutate all the time. It's called evolution. Drugs don't cause viruses to mutate. Viruses mutate by default - just like all genetic based things that reproduce.

Natural selection is always at work. Drugs are just another natural selection pressure in context of the germs. It's always only a matter of time till species overcome such obstacles. Either that or extinction, if and when nature "finds" no solution in time.

Germs are far older then humans.

Previous pandemics were often the result of overcrowding, lack of hygiene and poor nutrition.

There sure are parameters that have big influence on how a desease progresses and how fast it spreads.
But let's not pretend as if this is a "human" problem. Other animal species can and are hit as well by epidemics.

Obviously, in social species - where there is much social interaction and contact - desease can spread more easily.

Again, this is not "man's" fault. This is how nature works.

Today, we also have overcrowding as people are forced to live in polluted cities with fast food, (a diet of choice for many or the only affordable food for others) which is deficient in essential nutrients so that weakened immune systems are no match for something like the current pandemic

Please share your evidence that fast food is a factor in the current pandemic.
Not a single virologist seems to be aware of this.

Sounds like you are making it up on the spot.


Those most at risk are those who are older or immuno-compromised.....those who consume the most Pharma drugs.

Another bit of extremely false information.
Those most at risk are those who have advanced age AND who have underlying conditions. Like astma, high blood pressure, cancer, diabetis, etc...

It has nothing to do with drugs.

You might want to inform yourself.

Strong immune systems are the only way to combat viruses.

That's a straight up falsehood.
Obviously a strong immune system is going to help you more then a weak one.
But to pretend that having a strong immune system means that covid19 will be harmless, is a blatant falsehood. Plenty of strong, young, healthy and sportive people with NO underlying health issues are currently in intensive care fighting for their life.

Again, you might want to inform yourself.
Yes, there are the known risk groups, as mentioned above.

That in no way implies that other people are therefor safe by definition. They are not!


Today, our lifestyle in the west contributes to weakened immune systems so that the death rate continues to climb.

The risk groups haven't got anything to do with lifestyle and everything with advanced age and typical advanced age health issues.

Again, you might want to inform yourself.

So destroying the earth includes destroying life. A dead planet benefits no one.

Spreading misinformation benefits no one either
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I doubt we can bring the whole planet to the brink of extinction even now. We can do some pretty serious harm, but I do not think we could wipe it out yet.

I thought you guys couldn't wait for it all to end.

We could detonate all nukes simultanously and burn the planet, I think.
We could also continue for another couple centuries with pumping green house gases into the atmosphere and trigger a runaway greenhouse effects, which might turn the planet into a scorged wasteland oven where even lead would melt on the surface, kind of like Venus. It would take quite a long time though.


But idd, the earth in the past has survived things way worse then what we could realistically do to it in short term
 

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
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Premium Member
We could detonate all nukes simultanously and burn the planet, I think.
We could also continue for another couple centuries with pumping green house gases into the atmosphere and trigger a runaway greenhouse effects, which might turn the planet into a scorged wasteland oven where even lead would melt on the surface, kind of like Venus. It would take quite a long time though.


But idd, the earth in the past has survived things way worse then what we could realistically do to it in short term
To be honest the nukes thing came to mind, but only so much a Henny Penny can take with all the conspiracy theories that are driving their thinking as it is. It is clear that it is not understood that the end of humans does not necessarily mean the end of the world.

Greenhouse changes might end life for us and a lot of species, but I am not so sure it is going to be the end of the Earth.

As you note, the planet has endured much.

I am still not clear why the doom worshipers are so frightened and upset when some kind of doom might loom impending.
 

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
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Premium Member
Man is responsible for the extinction of plenty of species. Man hunts for fun. Man wages wars. Man burns things down. This has always been the case.

Sure, today's industry made it "easier" to do so, but again: nothing new under the sun.




Viruses are a natural phenomenon and not man's fault.
Viruses mutate all the time. It's called evolution. Drugs don't cause viruses to mutate. Viruses mutate by default - just like all genetic based things that reproduce.

Natural selection is always at work. Drugs are just another natural selection pressure in context of the germs. It's always only a matter of time till species overcome such obstacles. Either that or extinction, if and when nature "finds" no solution in time.

Germs are far older then humans.



There sure are parameters that have big influence on how a desease progresses and how fast it spreads.
But let's not pretend as if this is a "human" problem. Other animal species can and are hit as well by epidemics.

Obviously, in social species - where there is much social interaction and contact - desease can spread more easily.

Again, this is not "man's" fault. This is how nature works.



Please share your evidence that fast food is a factor in the current pandemic.
Not a single virologist seems to be aware of this.

Sounds like you are making it up on the spot.




Another bit of extremely false information.
Those most at risk are those who have advanced age AND who have underlying conditions. Like astma, high blood pressure, cancer, diabetis, etc...

It has nothing to do with drugs.

You might want to inform yourself.



That's a straight up falsehood.
Obviously a strong immune system is going to help you more then a weak one.
But to pretend that having a strong immune system means that covid19 will be harmless, is a blatant falsehood. Plenty of strong, young, healthy and sportive people with NO underlying health issues are currently in intensive care fighting for their life.

Again, you might want to inform yourself.
Yes, there are the known risk groups, as mentioned above.

That in no way implies that other people are therefor safe by definition. They are not!




The risk groups haven't got anything to do with lifestyle and everything with advanced age and typical advanced age health issues.

Again, you might want to inform yourself.



Spreading misinformation benefits no one either
I do not think that admonishing some for spreading the misinformation they hold dear in the face of facts will do much to persuade them to think or stop spreading that misinformation.
 

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Staff member
Premium Member
Then why did you say we need to look at the bottom in the middle of the atlantic ocean to find these "aliens"?
If humans are the aliens, then we won't be finding them on the sea floor - there are no humans there.


Perhaps you should at least try to be consistent in your nonsense.
Shhh! Don't tell anyone, but we are all on the bottom of the Atlantic. We just don't know it.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I am still not clear why the doom worshipers are so frightened and upset when some kind of doom might loom impending.

I'll venture a guess and say that they want it to happen, because their religious belief requires it to occur, as it "prophecizes" such doomsdays.

They see "doom" everywhere, just like they see "design" everywhere...

They don't actually see it. They are desperate to see it and as such, "see" it everywhere they look.
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
I doubt we can bring the whole planet to the brink of extinction even now. We can do some pretty serious harm, but I do not think we could wipe it out yet.

I thought you guys couldn't wait for it all to end.
Oh, the planet will be fine. It's just a huge ball of rock, after all.

What we may destroy if we continue to be careless is our own civilization.
 

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
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Premium Member
Oh, the planet will be fine. It's just a huge ball of rock, after all.

What we may destroy if we continue to be careless is our own civilization.
Perhaps that is the what people mean when they say "destroy the Earth". I can see that. Perhaps civilization needs a flush to clear out some of the dross.
 
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