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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Nakosis, Nov 23, 2021.

  1. Nakosis

    Nakosis Time Efficient Lollygagger
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    Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?


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    “One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.” Joan of Arc
     
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  2. 'mud

    'mud ~~ Life is Stuff ~~
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    Once again.....does one believe in angels ?
     
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  3. Lain

    Lain An Intervallic Time Traveler

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    No. One fundamental belief a person will have is that they exist. A multitude of other beliefs follow that.
     
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  4. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I don't believe i exist, i can be indipendentely weighed, measured and observed, i i know i exist.

    I do hope and believe that i will live to see !y children fledge the nest.
     
  5. Orbit

    Orbit I'm a planet

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    Belief in what? I don't need to believe in a higher power to have meaning in my life. It's a religious-centric way of thinking that can't imagine life without belief.
     
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  6. Lain

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    Differing definition of "belief" and honestly I have no idea what this means that you just said.
     
  7. 'mud

    'mud ~~ Life is Stuff ~~
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    I don't think Orbit believes in Angels
     
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  8. The Hammer

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    No we can't live "without belief" because we don't directly perceive the world. And only deal with it indirectly. And that takes a certain belief that things will be as they were.
     
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  9. mikkel_the_dane

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    Well, since you have solved over 2000+ years of philosophy for what knowledge is, please published your finding. You will be remembered long after your death, if you actually have solved that. I doubt it, and no, you are not lying. You are a product of nature and nurture like the rest of us.
     
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  10. mikkel_the_dane

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    Well, if you can turn methodological naturalism into the philosophical version and do this objectively, https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/whatisscience_12 then you could live without beliefs.
     
  11. ChristineM

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    It means there is evidence that am scientifically real
     
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  12. Lain

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    Is measuring, weighing, and observing something how you think people come to the belief or knowledge that they themselves exist? That just seems very weird to me.
     
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  13. mikkel_the_dane

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    Please write it down and send it to a scientific stie on the Internet.
     
  14. Nakosis

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    Belief in anything really.
    Not just about God but if we accept the existence of other things, is that acceptance based on belief?
    Or is the argument against the need for belief just semantics?
     
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    One can imagine the existence of angels without believing in them.
     
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  16. mikkel_the_dane

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    So you have evidence and/or use rationality for all what you do?
     
  17. Nakosis

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    So basically one would have to do none of the following?

    Moral judgments, aesthetic judgments, decisions about applications of science, and conclusions about the supernatural are outside the realm of science,

    Or maybe you could by accepting the truth of whatever your values happened to be as long as you didn't make any assumption that your values were shared by anyone else.
     
  18. mikkel_the_dane

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    Yeah, you can avoid the supernatural, but the rest I doubt. At least there is nobody who have done it in recorded history.
    For the bold, you would still have beliefs.
     
  19. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    I believe in man, first.

    Dante used to write : You men were not made to live as beasts, but to pursue virtue and knowledge

    Goethe used to write: May man be noble, altruistic and good.

    I am a theist but I think that life would be meaningless if we did not fight to make life worth-living. That is, by pursuing perfection, goodness, altruism.

    The law of the fittest, aka jungle law...is not worthy of human beings.
    Human beings are not animals.
     
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  20. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    I believe that atheists too believe that life has a value that transcends the mere existence.

    If life were meaningless, what is the point of making children?
    Children who will live a life as meaningless as their parents '?
     
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