Lies

[Humanistheart]

There was a reference I've seen made on this site a few times. It indicated one man's assertion that, to paraphrase, to with-hold certian information from other's that would otherwise lead them to a more accurate conclusion is, in essence lieing.I believe this was stated by a member of the lds church. I like that phrase; I find truth in it and would enjoy having the proper source.

My questions are was this in fact something said by a mormon, if so who, and does anyone have the exact quote?

Thank's in advance.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

I agree. Being honest is about the message that a person gets, not the exact words you say. If you convey a false message without actually saying anything untrue, you're still being dishonest. I'll see if I can dig something up.

 

[Humanistheart]

I agree. Being honest is about the message that a person gets, not the exact words you say. If you convey a false message without actually saying anything untrue, you're still being dishonest. I'll see if I can dig something up.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

Here's something I found. It's the opening section of a conference talk from 1982 by Elder Marvin J. Ashton. The second paragraph is pretty pertinent. I have a feeling there must be something more recent or notable than this though. Here's the talk.

Not often do students remember for 24 hours very many words taught by their teachers. Yet 50 years later some former students recall with lasting appreciation the words one teacher had her class repeat at the beginning of each day. Every school morning this rather unpretentious, plain, wise lady implanted the meaning of honesty into our minds by having us recite “A lie is any communication given to another with the intent to deceive.”
When I compare this definition with that found in the dictionary, which states, “A lie is an untrue statement made with the intent of deceiving,” I greatly appreciate her definition. A lie can be effectively communicated without words ever being spoken. Sometimes a nod of the head or silence can deceive. Recommending a questionable business investment, making a false entry in a ledger, devious use of flattery, or failure to divulge all pertinent facts are a few other ways to communicate the lie.

 

[Katzpur]

Here's something I found. It's the opening section of a conference talk from 1982 by Elder Marvin J. Ashton. The second paragraph is pretty pertinent. I have a feeling there must be something more recent or notable than this though. Here's the talk.

I took a shot at finding the quote HumanistHeart was thinking about and came up with that same talk. I just wasn't convinced that that's the one he had in mind. I actually found two or three similar talks and I know I've heard that point made on a number of occasions. I just couldn't zero in on the quote I was looking for.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

I took a shot at finding the quote HumanistHeart was thinking about and came up with that same talk. I just wasn't convinced that that's the one he had in mind. I actually found two or three similar talks and I know I've heard that point made on a number of occasions. I just couldn't zero in on the quote I was looking for.

Yeah, same.

 

[Humanistheart]

Here's something I found. It's the opening section of a conference talk from 1982 by Elder Marvin J. Ashton. The second paragraph is pretty pertinent. I have a feeling there must be something more recent or notable than this though. Here's the talk.

This isn't exactly what I'd imagined but the last line is essentially what I was looking for. Special thanks to Davy and Katz for your help.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

In my opinion, you don't really need a reference. The idea stands to reason that lying is about communicating an untruth, not what technical truths/untruths you speak.

 

[Humanistheart]

In my opinion, you don't really need a reference. The idea stands to reason that lying is about communicating an untruth, not what technical truths/untruths you speak.

You're right of course, but somehow the idea of having a reference feels like it gives the statement more weight.

 

[Watchmen]

Didn't McConkie say somthing like that before?

 

[Quagmire]

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