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Lie of the year.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by fantome profane, Dec 27, 2019.

  1. Heyo

    Heyo Well-Known Member

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    Everyone can easily misread a statement from a field of study one is not a student of and mix it up in one's head. You don't have to be stupid, just a bit superficial in your information gathering.
    The original prediction was
    If we do nothing for the next 12 years, we can't cap global warming to 2° C and we'd likely run into feedback effects that cause a runaway greenhouse scenario.
    The press shortened that to
    If we do nothing for the next 12 years, the world as we know it will end.
    Just re-arrange that sentence, omit a phrase and you have
    If we do nothing, the world will end in 12 years.
    Just the usual game of telephone.
     
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  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    You're very charitable.
    But were I so generous with my inferences, then no
    one would've lied. And that would ruin this thread.

    For those who believe her....
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez World Ending Countdown Clock
     
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    You don't seem to understand. Being obtuse and taking stuff literally so as to disparage people you dislike is the whole point.

    I mean, anybody who is older than 10 would realize that when somebody says something like that they aren't being literal. But what does that matter, when we can just pretend to be incredibly stupid in order to make ourselves look... Clever, somehow?
     
  4. Revoltingest

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    I smell a double standard. Those defending AOC's ludicrous
    claim would never be so charitable towards Trump. They take
    his words literally when it suits.
    But note that your justification for her statement is predicated
    on her meaning something other than what she said, ie, it was
    intentionally untrue.

    Was she lying, stupid, misspoken, or merely histrionic?
    I'm inclined to favor the last one. But I ranked it as the "lie of the
    year" cuz it was the biggest, ie, the end of the world is a topic
    which dwarfs all other contenders. One would have to be
    obtuse to not see that.
     
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  5. ImmortalFlame

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    "Quick! Look over there!"

    Or, intentional and knowing hyperbole using a rhetorical device. Hence, not a lie.

    Full quote:

    “Millennials and Gen Z and all these folks that come after us are looking up, and we're like, 'The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change, and your biggest issue is how are we gonna pay for it?'”

    SOURCE: Ocasio-Cortez: "The World Is Going To End In 12 Years If We Don't Address Climate Change"

    See how the statement is nestled within a hypothetical rhetorical device, making it a non-literal representation of the discussion, not an actual, literal claim?

    But, that's obviously not as good a headline. And not all of you can be bothered to read past those.

    None of those. Obviously.

    When Richard Attenborough refers to the "Majesty of the underwater Kingdom", do you think he's saying that there is a literal Kingship underwater? Or are you, as someone with the comprehension levels of someone over the age of six, able to understand that what they said is not meant to be literal, but illustrative?

    Speaking of a double standard, this is something you do every day without fail. But when it comes to AOC, in your desperate bid to come off smarter and more capable than a respected politician, you suddenly lower your comprehension.

    I think you have AOC-derangement syndrome.

    No. Obviously, she totally meant it. Totally. That's so believable. And it's easy to see how she did it to intentionally mislead people into ACTUALLY thinking the world was LITERALLY going to end. Because that happened.

    Because people are that stupid. Except for you, obviously. You intellectual giant, you. You can see through AOC's nonsense. You heard her say the world was going to end and you said to yourself "Hang on a second... No it isn't!"

    Congratulations. You won!
     
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  6. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Bless your heart.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    Probably one of the best "go to" phrases ever uttered by human lips....
     
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    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    So much meaning with so little typing.
     
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    Well, that and "cool story, bro."
     
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  10. tytlyf

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    After all these years you haven't figured out RW media yet. No surprise
     
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    Being a climate denier is a stinky perfume. What about whataboutism?
     
  12. Revoltingest

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    What about it?
     
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    Like most republicans, you ignore the science vehemently. Interesting agenda that makes zero sense.
     
  14. Revoltingest

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    That's nice.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    Ah, yes...the Irish equivalent...well played.
     
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    Don't bother. When he loses any ground or face he'll just say something short and vaguely patronizing to make it look like you're overreacting and he's the "oh so cool intellectual" who's so right and cool that they're not even going to make the effort. Because that's cool.

    Dude!
     
  17. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    I'm an intellectual now?
    Oh, dear.
     
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    You obviously do not understand the term "lie". Perhaps that's one reason you give a pass to all of Trump's lies.
     
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    Who made that lie?
     
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    That is a great choice.

    There are so many hilarious lies from the orange con-man in the WH that it is difficult to pick just one.

    But my vote has to go to Trump's sharpie doodle on an official hurricane map. The very same one depicted in your avatar. It is symbolic of his overall toddleresque lying style, which is to lie unnecessarily, and sloppily.
     
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