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Liberty = Body Cams + Dash Cams + Youtube + Phones + Torts

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    This is a fascinating video. It shows how reluctant cops
    are to arrest one of their own (a superior) for drunk driving.
    But they know that if they don't follow standard procedures,
    they'll lose their jobs. They treat the perp with greater
    consideration than they would a civilian. Still, it's progress.
    Thoughts?
     
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    So Liberty = Surveillance?
     
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    That wasn't in the equation.
    Liberty is about being able to hold government's enforcers
    accountable. Our right to record them...our right to force
    them to record themselves interacting with us...those are
    crucial features to avoiding a police state.

    Here's one where a cop from my county got caught driving
    drunk as a skunk. He tries to weasel out of it, but these
    northern MI cops won't have it, lest they lose their jobs.
    They treat him better than they would a civilian who refused
    to cooperate.
     
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    Yes, because in the very moment they become lieutenant or superintendent, they start thinking they are entitled to do anything.
    And if the populace dares tell them off...he will respond: " it is because I am I, and you guys are nothing".


    Obviously not always. I know superintendents who do not want any special treatment.
    And that they are the first to obey the law.
     
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    Cops always look after their own and band together
    (Ok to that’s a generalisation, but still.)
    I think body cams are a must to prevent them from being even worse and getting away with it
     
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    I'm not disagreeing, only pointing out what it looks like. I think body cams and police accountability is a great thing.
     
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    Nice to see how incredible respectful American policemen can behave

    0.36% BAC is extremely high, it can cause death. So, it's good that he got caught (maybe his wife made the call). If he is smart he learns from it, and hopefully can control himself next time, and at least is not so arrogant to drive a car next time
     
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    Definition of surveillance | Dictionary.com
    The primary definition doesn't appear to be about
    monitoring government. So to me, the word connotes
    something done by those with power to those without.

    Treating the word broadly, I'd say that government,
    especially cops, prosecutors, & judges must be surveilled
    & held strictly accountable.
    Instead of meeting a lower standard with lesser punishment,
    both should be higher because of the great danger they pose
    wielding such authority over others. To abuse such power
    is a heinous crime.
     
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    Cops expecting "courtesy" for driving drunk is common here.
    One I knew openly said that he kept his sheriff deputy hat on
    his dash so that he'd get a pass when pulled over drunk.
    That was pre-body cam though. I think things are slowly
    changing for the better for the titular reasons.

    Oh I knew that same cop's girlfriend because she worked at
    my favorite hardware store. He beat her. He threatened
    to have his cop buddies retaliate against her family if she
    ever complained to authorities. He did contracting work for
    me, but I fired him for threatening co-workers & tenants.

    Minneapolis has been in the news for multiple instances
    of cops recklessly killing people. Look at their top cop....
    Minnesota sheriff was driving 126 mph at time of DUI crash
    He is a very corrupt individual...
     
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    Wow, that's bad. But not unexpected. Bad people have been here for millenia, would be gullible to believe they suddenly disappeared from the world scenery. Plenty of Hitlers around nowadays. I have no illusion they are not here

    Good to share such stories. Because now there are many bad people abusing their power. All dirt comes out during covid era it seems. In Holland we have less censorship than in USA, so here we have plenty of proof of all covid scams already, but soon it will spread to USA too.

    The rich lose power, and even can't protect their own anymore. They sacrifice now people high up in the hierarchy (prince in England for example, but also in Holland we just had a huge sex scandal this week. Many 'important' go under (are being sacrificed) now).
     
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    Good you fired him. Too arrogant to listen to good advice

    I once met someone, friendly at first, but gradually I noticed him making threads. Immediately I cut all contacts with him. And that felt really good. I discovered that "bad" habits seldom change in such people. I used to give people more chances, thinking they might change if I explained well. But they are just too mean, and even enjoy their power games. Because that's what it is I think
     
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    Odd....I recall an interview with Paul Verhoeven, wherein
    he said he came here because of less censorship.
    Prosecution of Geert Wilders suggests to me that you've
    more censorship than we have.
     
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    In my experience, people generally don't change
    for the better when given opportunity & help.
    They are who they are with rare exceptions.
     
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    Haha, prosecution you call that. I call it a staged movie to silence and control people.

    They made a big show of this Wilders case, and I understand why.

    You know the verdict against Wilders? That tells it all
     
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    Yes.

    Don't try to change the world, just try to change yourself

    And as you discover how difficult it is to change oneself, you understand others won't change either probably
     
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    I still try...but I take less risk in the effort now.
     
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    Cops culture has the belief that they can drive drunk
    without consequence. In this case, the off duty cop
    was driving drunk with his lights off in the wrong
    direction on the highway. He killed 2 people.
    He appeared uninjured. (No such thing as karma.)
    He seems unconcerned with the people he hit.
    https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...ed-with-vehicular-homicide-in-wrong-way-crash
    Excerpted....
    KOB reported that Barber would remain out of jail until his trial and stay with his parents, who are both in law enforcement.
    According to KOB, the judge ordered that Barber abstain from drinking and cannot drive.


    He must be specifically told that he can't drink & drive?
     
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    How effective are the body cams when it's still a game of 'inside baseball'? Who looking at the video besides the cops? I think dash and body cams are a great idea, but they are just recording devices. Ultimately, someone honest needs to be looking at what they record.
     
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    Plus torts... why if i didn't know any better, I would think that you recognize that people in authority positions such as landlords can abuse that authority. And, when there is a disagreement between two entities that cannot be resolved through independent negotiations, our judicial system provides an outlet for remedy.
     
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