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Liberals Are Turning Into Fascists, Says … Piers Morgan?

Stanyon

WWMRD?
I have been saying this for quite a while, I hate identity politics but I have identified myself on this board as a progressive liberal and I find more and more that my views are actually more liberal and progressive than many who self indentify as such. It seems a shame that over the years the tolerance and understanding has for the most part turned into a self righteous bigotry and tribalism of the lowest common denominator.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Piers Morgan is a twat. He doesn’t even have the decency to be entertaining.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Even Captain Morgan is better.
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Anyway, both liberals & conservatives have their non-libertarian aspects,
so I'd expect some elements of fascism. But to call either "fascist" would
mean they've gone all the way...& that isn't a reasonable claim.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I have been saying this for quite a while, I hate identity politics but I have identified myself on this board as a progressive liberal and I find more and more that my views are actually more liberal and progressive than many who self indentify as such. It seems a shame that over the years the tolerance and understanding has for the most part turned into a self righteous bigotry and tribalism of the lowest common denominator.
Says the person who did a Satanic ritual invoking some (made-up?) demon with a Nazi flag so that people like Trump would be elected.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I wish people knew what the word "liberal" really means. Including those who call themselves liberals.

It is both a political and a moral philosophy, asserting liberty, consent (of the governed to be governed), and equality before the law. Liberals like myself want limited government (some social liberals want government to participate in programs to help those who need it), individual rights (to just about all of life's choices), free markets (capitalism), democracy, secularism (at the government level, you have a right to your personal beliefs over which government has nothing to say), gender and racial equality, freedom of expression, including press and religion.

Does that really sound so bad to anybody here? Those are the things I personally champion.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I wish people knew what the word "liberal" really means. Including those who call themselves liberals.

It is both a political and a moral philosophy, asserting liberty, consent (of the governed to be governed), and equality before the law. Liberals like myself want limited government (some social liberals want government to participate in programs to help those who need it), individual rights (to just about all of life's choices), free markets (capitalism), democracy, secularism (at the government level, you have a right to your personal beliefs over which government has nothing to say), gender and racial equality, freedom of expression, including press and religion.

Does that really sound so bad to anybody here? Those are the things I personally champion.

That, by the way, would not too inaccurately describe the views of the great Republican, Abraham Lincoln.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member

Calling them "fascists" might be a bit too much. Sure, there are plenty of liberals who are rather stubborn and rigid in their thinking - that's a human trait. My main complaint about liberals is that they've changed over the years. They're not really like the liberals of old - the kind who used to care about working people, the downtrodden, etc. They were the kind who looked more deeply at problems and not just at superficialities or surface-level solutions.

PC and similar manipulations of language are a perfect example of this. They think that by changing the language, that will somehow change the condition they're trying to correct, but it's just an illusion. They're only fooling themselves.

They also sold out to big business, but rather than admit to this and recant their pro-Wall Street agenda (since they love the money so much), the only thing they can think to do is ratchet up the PC and double-down on identity politics.

Liberals don't have to become fascists. They're not very good at it anyway. What they should do is become hardcore radical socialists. At the very least, that might give them the clarity they so badly need right now.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Says the person who did a Satanic ritual invoking some (made-up?) demon with a Nazi flag so that people like Trump would be elected.

The Goetic Demons name was Andras, the Swastika was used along with an original Indo-Persian demon head mace in what was dubbed the Andras Werking years ago. It was seen as a need for balance so the Great Pendulum needed a little help swinging to the right so the far right was a reasonable tool, sometimes you really do need to use an acetylene torch to light a safety candle. I knew nothing of Donald Trump at the time for it was years earlier but when he ran for president I saw him as a Great Enema our society needed to help people blow it out of their collective a$$es. Not sure how you do not see this as progressive liberalism nor do I understand your strange obsession with my extracurricular hobbies.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
The Goetic Demons name was Andras, the Swastika was used along with an original Indo-Persian demon head mace in what was dubbed the Andras Werking years ago. It was seen as a need for balance so the Great Pendulum needed a little help swinging to the right so the far right was a reasonable tool, sometimes you really do need to use an acetylene torch to light a safety candle. I knew nothing of Donald Trump at the time for it was years earlier but when he ran for president I saw him as a Great Enema our society needed to help people blow it out of their collective a$$es. Not sure how you do not see this as progressive liberalism nor do I understand your strange obsession with my extracurricular hobbies.
You're the one who has mentioned it multiple times in threads and wishing for someone like Trump to come along does not seem like a progressive liberal thing to do. You also specifically said it was a Nazi flag.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
You're the one who has mentioned it multiple times in threads and wishing for someone like Trump to come along does not seem like a progressive liberal thing to do. You also specifically said it was a Nazi flag.

It was an original as well, maybe your understanding of progressive liberalism is not very liberal.
 
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