Liberal abortion laws (infanticide)

[Mark Dohle]

Liberal abortion laws (infanticide)
This is not about Trump, or liberals, but about basic human rights​

I do not think that all posts on abortion are political in nature. I do not identify with any political party, as do many Americans. Independent voters are becoming more common. I do believe that abortion is a very serious symptom of a culture that has grown used to a certain kind of ‘rot’ and think it is normal. Sort of like the times before the civil rights movement. The corruption of racism was considered normal, and even according to God’s will.

I do not believe that we can outlaw abortion because of cultural issues, which seem to be a permanent part of life in the United States. So the more liberal laws on abortion, show me a very disturbing trend that will only get worse. We go along, to get along, as the saying goes.

This is not about Trump or liberals, but about basic human rights, the right to life. For a doctor, as well as nurses to become able to allow a newborn baby to die because of a failed abortion, for me is true horror. And for many people to be Ok with that is a wakeup call I believe for all of us, and actually more horrifying than doctors, and nurses committing legal infanticide.

Peter Singer, a Utilitarian philosopher, teaches that parents should have up to 30 days to decide if they want to keep the infant or not. He says that an infant is not yet self-conscious, so not human.

Quote: In 1993, ethicist Peter Singer shocked many Americans by suggesting that no newborn should be considered a person until 30 days after birth and that the attending physician should kill some disabled babies on the spot. Five years later, his appointment as Decamp Professor of Bio-Ethics at Princeton University ignited a firestorm of controversy, though his ideas about abortion and infanticide were hardly new. In 1979 he wrote, “Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons”; therefore, “the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee.”1—Unquote
https://www.equip.org/…/peter-singers-bold-defense-of-infa…/

It is only a matter of time until the above quote will be accepted by many, perhaps even the majority. It only takes time to adjust what we think is morally acceptable or not. When we lose our sense that we are accountable for our lives and that we will have to face what we have done with our existence, then I believe that what we consider moral, because it is legal, can be in fact an abomination, will become the norm.

I have no answers, nor a solution for that matter that is an easy fix. We are floating, in a cloud, foggy, and becoming more and more irrational I believe, but much more emotional, angry, and losing the ability to listen to one another.—Br.MD

 

[danieldemol]

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Liberal abortion laws (infanticide)
This is not about Trump, or liberals, but about basic human rights​

I do not think that all posts on abortion are political in nature. I do not identify with any political party, as do many Americans. Independent voters are becoming more common. I do believe that abortion is a very serious symptom of a culture that has grown used to a certain kind of ‘rot’ and think it is normal. Sort of like the times before the civil rights movement. The corruption of racism was considered normal, and even according to God’s will.

I do not believe that we can outlaw abortion because of cultural issues, which seem to be a permanent part of life in the United States. So the more liberal laws on abortion, show me a very disturbing trend that will only get worse. We go along, to get along, as the saying goes.

This is not about Trump or liberals, but about basic human rights, the right to life. For a doctor, as well as nurses to become able to allow a newborn baby to die because of a failed abortion, for me is true horror. And for many people to be Ok with that is a wakeup call I believe for all of us, and actually more horrifying than doctors, and nurses committing legal infanticide.

Peter Singer, a Utilitarian philosopher, teaches that parents should have up to 30 days to decide if they want to keep the infant or not. He says that an infant is not yet self-conscious, so not human.

Quote: In 1993, ethicist Peter Singer shocked many Americans by suggesting that no newborn should be considered a person until 30 days after birth and that the attending physician should kill some disabled babies on the spot. Five years later, his appointment as Decamp Professor of Bio-Ethics at Princeton University ignited a firestorm of controversy, though his ideas about abortion and infanticide were hardly new. In 1979 he wrote, “Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons”; therefore, “the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee.”1—Unquote
https://www.equip.org/…/peter-singers-bold-defense-of-infa…/

It is only a matter of time until the above quote will be accepted by many, perhaps even the majority. It only takes time to adjust what we think is morally acceptable or not. When we lose our sense that we are accountable for our lives and that we will have to face what we have done with our existence, then I believe that what we consider moral, because it is legal, can be in fact an abomination, will become the norm.

I have no answers, nor a solution for that matter that is an easy fix. We are floating, in a cloud, foggy, and becoming more and more irrational I believe, but much more emotional, angry, and losing the ability to listen to one another.—Br.MD

You say this is not about liberals after titling your post, “liberal abortion laws”?

 

[Mark Dohle]

You say this is not about liberals after titling your post, “liberal abortion laws”?

They are different. One can be liberal about different issues, and conservative about others. There is no such thing as someone who is totally just one or the other. Well, I have never met one myself.

peace
mark

 

[Iymus]

View attachment 37477

Liberal abortion laws (infanticide)
This is not about Trump, or liberals, but about basic human rights​

I do not think that all posts on abortion are political in nature. I do not identify with any political party, as do many Americans. Independent voters are becoming more common. I do believe that abortion is a very serious symptom of a culture that has grown used to a certain kind of ‘rot’ and think it is normal. Sort of like the times before the civil rights movement. The corruption of racism was considered normal, and even according to God’s will.

I do not believe that we can outlaw abortion because of cultural issues, which seem to be a permanent part of life in the United States. So the more liberal laws on abortion, show me a very disturbing trend that will only get worse. We go along, to get along, as the saying goes.

This is not about Trump or liberals, but about basic human rights, the right to life. For a doctor, as well as nurses to become able to allow a newborn baby to die because of a failed abortion, for me is true horror. And for many people to be Ok with that is a wakeup call I believe for all of us, and actually more horrifying than doctors, and nurses committing legal infanticide.

Peter Singer, a Utilitarian philosopher, teaches that parents should have up to 30 days to decide if they want to keep the infant or not. He says that an infant is not yet self-conscious, so not human.

Quote: In 1993, ethicist Peter Singer shocked many Americans by suggesting that no newborn should be considered a person until 30 days after birth and that the attending physician should kill some disabled babies on the spot. Five years later, his appointment as Decamp Professor of Bio-Ethics at Princeton University ignited a firestorm of controversy, though his ideas about abortion and infanticide were hardly new. In 1979 he wrote, “Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons”; therefore, “the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee.”1—Unquote
https://www.equip.org/…/peter-singers-bold-defense-of-infa…/

It is only a matter of time until the above quote will be accepted by many, perhaps even the majority. It only takes time to adjust what we think is morally acceptable or not. When we lose our sense that we are accountable for our lives and that we will have to face what we have done with our existence, then I believe that what we consider moral, because it is legal, can be in fact an abomination, will become the norm.

I have no answers, nor a solution for that matter that is an easy fix. We are floating, in a cloud, foggy, and becoming more and more irrational I believe, but much more emotional, angry, and losing the ability to listen to one another.—Br.MD

Above Pay grade.

 

[pearl]

Are you differentiating between liberal and abortion? The original, Roe v Wade was not the 'liberal' law that it has evolved into. We all know without doubt that it is 'human' life, to suggest otherwise is simply ludicrous. But we have become a throwaway society in all stages of human life.

 

[Mark Dohle]

Are you differentiating between liberal and abortion? The original, Roe v Wade was not the 'liberal' law that it has evolved into. We all know without a doubt that it is 'human' life, to suggest otherwise is simply ludicrous. But we have become a throwaway society in all stages of human life.

Yes, a good description of the 'slippery-slope' cliche.

peace
mark

 

[metis]

According to Chief Justice John Roberts, who's a practicing Catholic, it is highly unlikely that Roe v Wade will be overturned en toto as it has been part of the "rule of law" for decades now, plus there's no public consensus to eliminate it. OTOH, he stated that it might be amended again over time.

BTW, just to be clear, I am Pro-Life.

 

[Mark Dohle]

According to Chief Justice John Roberts, who's a practicing Catholic, it is highly unlikely that Roe v Wade will be overturned en toto as it has been part of the "rule of law" for decades now, plus there's no public consensus to eliminate it. OTOH, he stated that it might be amended again over time.

BTW, just to be clear, I am Pro-Life.

I agree with you. For real change, it has to come from deep within, on a cultural level, not by some law. Though some laws can be implemented that limit abortion once again.

Peace
Mark