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LHP and magic

Discussion in 'Left-Hand Path Religions DIR' started by Deidre, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. Deidre

    Deidre Follow thy heart

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    So, I recently joined a forum and made an introduction, and shared that I'm interested in LHP. There was a response from someone who basically told me to ''stay away from the LHP'', unless I have ''years of magic.'' And then stated ''heed the warning.''

    Is this just one interpretation of the LHP? What do you make of it?

    My understanding of ''black magic'' isn't the same as what I think he was referring to. I'm not interested in learning or performing magic, to be honest.
     
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    EtuMalku MERCURÆN LUCIFERIAN

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    You can be on the 'western' left hand path and not practice 'black magic'. The western left hand path is a life philosophy that is embraced. Black magic(k) is magick of and for the Self.

    The word ‘Black’ is described by Idries Shah as being identified with the sound of FHM in the Arabic tongue, which is ‘black’ meaning ‘wise’ and equally with ‘understanding’. Therefore black magick is occult work intended to unveil hidden and beneficial wisdom towards the aim of the western left hand path.
     
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    When someone warns you of black magic, or other actions you shouldn't do - I think they're almost begging you to do it in your flirtations with the LHP. :D

    Three ways to look at it -

    1) It is a psychodrama or cathartic process, thus removing psychological obstacles in your way.

    2) It is the process of aligning your subjective world with the real world, thereby getting what you want.

    3) Energy/Theurgic process, you tap into the "forces" you desire and use them to get what you want.

    In reality, an individual may use any or all of these processes at the same time. I think at the moment you think any of that is "dangerous" you have no business telling anyone anything about the LHP. It's not the belief in magic that is the sticker, it's allowing the irrational fear of it to limit you that makes one a hypocrite. :D

    Someone truly walking the path must not be afraid of anything under the sun whether they be the actual demons, or the demons of their mind. The person you met used to be referred to as a "charlatan". They are not on the path but happy to try to lead others to ruin for their own amusement, or profit. That doesn't mean you have to "do magic" to be working along the lines of the LHP, but rather you should know why you do or why you don't. :D
     
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  4. Deidre

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    Just when you think the LHP is free of people who judge others on the same path, etc...it's not true. :( I didn't expect to encounter judgmental types in the LHP, because it's supposed to not involve dogma, etc. But, I did.
     
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    I can see not separating black magic from the LHP, black magic is basically what the LHP does. But idk about needing years of magic experience. If you're going to walk the LHP why waste time on non LHP magical systems?

    As far as judgement, it will always exist. At least in the LHP it's to be expected, since everyone is such a vastly different individual, and individuals aren't expected to be loving and huggy with each other. Personally I like my beliefs being challenged!
     
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    It's not about your beliefs being challenged, it's about being told you're wrong in how you view the LHP, or how you view 'x' belief system, etc. If the LHP offers dogma, complete with shoulds and shouldn'ts...it seems like a different kind of religion that I left behind.
     
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    I'd say the only way to truly avoid should and shouldn'ts is to go with postmodernism, which I would say is more new age/chaos magic than the LHP/black magic. For example, if one is a LHP practitioner, one shouldn't rely on a priest for forgiveness, shouldn't join a Wiccan coven, shouldn't move to the middle East.
     
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    Do you follow any dogma?
     
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    Probably, for example I'm a dogmatic individualist perhaps.
     
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    One thing that you do have to be prepared for on the LHP is dealing with the disorientation that occurs when you bring chaotic content from the unconscious mind into consciousness--for instance, when you started crying when you realized that you hold hatred regarding your childhood. Processing your psychological garbage can be traumatic at times, and you want to be careful to plant healthy and skillful content (habits) within your unconscious mind instead of replacing bad habit with worse habits. If you sow unskillful habits, you reap unskillful results, especially when you are unmindful. That's basically what the warning was all about.
     
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  11. Deidre

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    That's helpful, thanks @crossfire - I'm processing through it all.
     
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    Now imagine if you bring some chaotic psychological content up, but instead of properly processing it, you project it onto someone else? Is that a skillful thing to do? Is that a habit you would want to establish? Unfortunately, some people don't take this into consideration and wind up kicking their own butts.
     
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    What I make of it is this, you can't sell books or make a profitable church, order, or temple unless you have some type of bait on your hook people are willing to bite on. Real magic isn't flash and pizazz or cut rate snake oil salesman hokum nor is it contained within primitive identifiers, it is fluid and formless.
     
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    For someone like me who comes from a monotheist background (mainly Christianity) - the narrative has always been when I was a practicing Christian - that magic is somehow 'bad.' So, when I read about magic in the LHP, I've been trying to understand its use, but I come away a little confused.
     
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    The thing about 'LHP' is figuring it out can be a bit of a maze, if you do it here(online in general). Almost everyone will tell you something different and inconsistent with what the last guy told you, and as a 'community'..it isn't one. Nobody agrees on anything.

    And that's how we like it. Some of us, share common ground with others, some not even that. There will be all shades of atheist and theists, liberals and conservatives, straight on down the line.

    As for myself, I think Satanism, and the lhp way, is something you do rather than a title or religion. Something you do that changes and strengthens you.

    ...or breaks you. Whatever.
     
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    Would you say that LHP is truly "spiritual but not religious?" (Along with the 'going through hell' that accompanies spirituality?)
     
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    From briefly exploring this so far, I definitely see it strengthening those who let go, and let the process happen. Everyone's different so everyone's process will be different. I think it's hard to dispel the Christian narratives not so much in terms of Christianity itself, but the dynamic of some religions. I half expect to see those same dynamics in every belief system and when I don't, it throws me off a little, if that makes sense.
     
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    I would say some people that 'do' lhp things, from so doing, might arrive at some sort of 'spirituality'.

    Me, I say it's a buzzword that doesn't actually mean anything.
     
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    That's because it's not a belief system. The RHP..the major religions and even most of the minor ones are...top down. The authority, dogma, and leadership dictate the beliefs and they are accepted on down the line.

    LHP is bottom up, whereas YOU dictate and discover these things by doing the WORK, and inflict them upwards as you are able insofar as your doing your Will.
     
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