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Leviticus and Homosexuality

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Estro Felino, Jul 11, 2014.

  1. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Well...most Christians consider homosexuality something natural and absolutely not a sin. So do I.
    I think that love has no gender. We are all different, so there are people genetically predisposed to fall in love with people of the same gender. It's DNA, which determines our endocrine system, and so our sexuality.

    I think that the Old testament unfortunately contains obsolete and intolerant affirmations, which would be condemned by Jesus, surely.

    Christians, I just want to know your opinion: how do you consider the Leviticus verses against homosexuality?
     
  2. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    I'm straight- and very naturally proud.
     
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  3. Mycroft

    Mycroft Ministry of Serendipity

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    The leviticus laws only prohibit acts of homosexuality. They do not, at any point, address simply being homosexual.
     
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  4. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Well...I understand that. But what if two young men fall in love with each other? What if they kiss without having sex? I don't think that a kiss is something lustful; it's something definitely romantic
     
  5. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Homosexuality is an issue that the bible cannot directly illuminate, since it does not address that issue. Biblical precept can inform us how we are to work our way through the issue of acceptance of homosexuality as normal, though. In a loving, non-judgmental, and accepting way, prayerfully, and without malice.
     
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    Or maybe the Leviticus verses intended to condemn just homosexual lust, not homosexual love
     
  7. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    The real question should be: Are you really looking to do everything the Bible says?
     
  8. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Well...and the answer would be: "Just those things of the Bible which match with the good of mankind"
     
  9. Sleeppy

    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    If you're able to determine the good all by yourself, why go backwards for reaffirmation?
     
  10. Mycroft

    Mycroft Ministry of Serendipity

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    Which begs the question: If the Bible is wrong about some things, could it not be wrong about everything?
     
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    Assuming that god's word as revealed in the Bible has the good of mankind already in mind, how does one go about establishing some other "good of mankind"?
     
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    Sleeppy Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.

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    Too far-reaching.. There are obviously some truths in the Tanakh, and in the New Testament.
     
  13. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    It condemns the homosexual act, for a variety of reasons, none of which have to do with the act as a normal, healthy expression of one's orientation.
     
  14. Saint Frankenstein

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    We need someone who is an expert in Biblical Hebrew and the historical context those verses were written in to tell us what they were actually saying, in this thread.

    Regardless, Christians do not follow the Levitical Law.
     
  15. CynthiaCypher

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    I think gender roles play a large part in Leviticus condemnation of homosexuality. A man in a patriarchal culture is assign a role, he is to take a wife who is to bear children for him. Any deviation from this role is consider an abomination from the natural order of things.
     
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    From my 20 or so graduate hours of biblical exegesis and cultural contextual studies of the ancient Near East, I'm not an expert in Hebrew, but I can tell you what I learned, because we discussed the issue at length in several courses.

    In the ancient Near East, honor and shame were sexually-imbedded. That is, men embodied honor, and women embodied shame. Therefore, men had to act honorably -- like men. When you had sex with another man, it was an act of shame, because the sex act was seen as a form of subjugation. A man could not honorably subjugate another man sexually. And I don't have to tell you that to (excuse me, ladies) bend over and "take it like a woman" certainly was a shameful act.

    Beyond the whole honor/shame taboo, though, was the simple fact that homosexuality as an orientation was unknown. Men were simply attracted to women, end of discussion. Therefore, there could be no real love expressed in homosexual acts. So, the act was always seen as perverse for that reason; moreover, because there was a lot of taking of slave boys, battlefield rape, etc., which are clearly acts of violence. These acts are all condemnable. The Hebrew texts simply do not approach the homosexual act as normal. It simply was not conceivable to them.

    That's why I say that the bible cannot definitively speak to homosexuality; it does not deal with homosexuality -- only with acts of perversion.
     
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    Well, it would certainly be a waste of seed...
     
  18. CynthiaCypher

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    I agree. A lot of it is the cultural misogyny of a patriarchal culture. If a man plays the part of a woman then he is no longer truly a man and has brought shame upon himself. So what is he? He is an abomination. These verses are indicative of Biblical homophobia but of Biblical misogyny.
     
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    That makes a lot of sense. The Greeks and Romans and seemingly every culture in that area viewed it the same. Obviously that isn't or shouldn't be applicable to our times as we have a more developed view of sexuality.

    Thanks.
     
  20. Robert.Evans

    Robert.Evans You will be assimilated; it is His Will.

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    There was the word 'not' in there wasn't there?

    Who are these "most Christians"?
     
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