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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Onyx, Dec 7, 2016.

  1. Onyx

    Onyx Active Member
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    Do you believe Satan is a very real deity, or is Satan just a symbol? It seems to me that monotheism would require the latter, but what's your viewpoint?

    Feel free to include other "dark lords" and religious text if you want.
     
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  2. Tumah

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    Not a deity nor a symbol. Just an angel doing his job like all the others.
     
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  3. Onyx

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    I think I understand, but would be interested in your definition of "angel". Thank you.
     
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  4. Flankerl

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    Spiritual being under the orders of God. Usually have a job given to them by God, some are postmen.
     
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    I believe Satan is an Angel to some people. A deific mask to other people and an energy to others.
     
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    IMO just like there are multiple humans and animals, there are multiple deities, etc. Many of them can possess evil intent.
     
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  7. Onyx

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    Thanks. So they are the messengers of God? Able to reveal transcendental concepts to our more limited existence perhaps?
     
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    Yes.

    And if that response is confusing to the reader, consider the possibility that this question presents a false dichotomy and it may make more sense.


    But there's a better way of asking this question to someone of my particular ontological persuasion. What you probably want to get at is how I experience and know this thing you called "Satan" and what role, if any, it plays in my life. That's the question that matters, yes? The simplest way to answer that is probably to say "Satan is not part of my life in the same way that God is not part of an atheist's life." You might study it from an academic/intellectual perspective, but otherwise lack interest in it and don't go around lighting incense in its name.
     
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  9. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Does he keep the Sabbath?

    Ciao

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  10. GodsVoice

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    Satan, Devil, Dragon, Lucifer, Wicked One, etc. are all biblical terms meaning the information that is processed into visible images and thoughts that give us people a contrast of "good and evil" which are all subjective according to each person's created senses. Some people fear images and thoughts that other people don't.

    The other deceptive "veil" that keeps people from knowing who they are in the Mind of God is the Beast which is the information that is processed into images, musical notes, words, lyrics for song, poetry, shapes, etc. that are then brought into the world by human hands using earthen materials to shape, mold, draw, paint, write, type them into the various images that other people can see and use. The Beast keeps all the people busy building things with their human hands so most everyone worships the Beast and the world they see is formed from Satan.

    Christ is the pure information that is revealed to us servants who testify to them. Christ does not contain the information called Satan and the Beast. By testifying to Christ, God reveals Himself and His voice until it learns how it was created and how all these visible images are observed and experienced with our created senses.
     
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  11. Tumah

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    The short answer is basically like Flankerl said.
    The longer answer is that they are a few successive degrees worth of anthropomorphicized emanations of concepts.
    So for instance satan. In Judaism, G-d's Oneness is absolute. But on a certain level, there is a contradiction to that Oneness, in that we also exist. The resolution to that is that we should cease to exist in the face of G-d's Oneness. That resolution is the source of satan - the angel whose function is to end our existence within the means provided to him. Every sin we do tips the world (on a general level) and ourselves (on a personal level) towards destruction and by extension, to the resolution.
     
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  12. Tumah

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    He doesn't have a Jewish mother, nor did he convert to Judaism.
     
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  13. viole

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    I bet G-d didn't either, but He observed the Sabbath, in at least one occasion.

    I am asking because it might be dangerous if you get a day off every week, while he does not.

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    Why would monotheistic satanism require that Satan be just a symbol?

    Anyway...

    He is both, and neither. he does not live, but he exists, and persists throughout the ages. He is the greatest teacher, the destroyer of all things, and at the center of all real progress.

    Confused yet? Good, you are supposed to be.
     
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  15. Tumah

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    I know of no such verse that states that G-d observed the Sabbath.

    I've made it through about 1,700 days off so far. So I guess whatever danger you're worried about doesn't have a significant chance of occurring.

    I appreciate the looking out though.
     
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    i said in at least one occasion.

    G-d. I am relieved to read that.

    Ciao

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  17. Tumah

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    Yeah, I understand English. But you didn't provide a verse indicating that G-d observed any Sabbaths and I know of none.

    I'm happy to be able to calm your fears.
     
  18. Onyx

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    Thank you for the thoughtful response.
     
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    Jungian Shadow projection is often associated with Satan.
     
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  20. viole

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    Out of curiousity. Does the absence of a verse saying X, indicates that X is not true?

    By the way, I believe He at least observed the first Sabbath. He used that as an example for the next ones, for Thor sake.:)

    Ciao

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