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Much of the material presented by Dan in this thread is taken from a book entitled Lehi in the Desert. This book was written by Hugh Nibley, who is undisputably the most knowledgable LDS scholar who has ever lived. However, Dan's comments have been interspersed at random throughout the thread, and it is often difficult for the reader to be able to distinguish between his words and Nibley's. Because this is such an important topic to the Latter-day Saint posters on this forum, and deserves to be discussed, I am not deleting it at this time. It is important, however, that credit be given to the individual whose years of research is being presented here. If anyone has any comments or questions as to which words are Dan's and which are Hugh Nibley's, please contact me by PM. If it becomes necessary to delete this thread entirely, I will do so -- but only as a last resort.
Kathryn
Most members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have never been very much interested in "proving" the Book of Mormon; for us its divine provenance has always been an article of faith, and its historical aspects by far the least important thing about it. But the world insists that it is a gross and stupid forgery, a barefaced fraud perpetrated by an ignorant rustic who could hardly write his name. They have made the charge; let them prove it.
All sorts of questions were levelled at the Book of Mormon. Let us first examine the opening setting and the accusations hurled at it.
The Book of Mormon opens in Jerusalem roughly six hundred years before Christ. A wise patriarch by the name of Lehi leads his family away from home into the desert in search of the promised land. Those familiar with the text may recognize some of the concerns that follow. Picture Lehi on the witness stand as the prosecution begins its barrage:
What is your name? Don't you know there is no such name in Jewish antiquity? Where did you live at the time? What do you mean the "Land of Jerusalem"? Don't you mean the city? Where did you get this great wealth your sons speak of? How did you happen to learn Egyptian-wasn't it a waste of time? Why didn't you learn Babylonian, a language much nearer to your own? I have quite a list of names from your records-your purported family and descendants: Do you expect the court to believe these are genuine? If this is a genuine list, why does it contain no Baal names? You say you had dreams: about what? A river? What kind of river? What is this weird "mist of darkness"? Don't you think a dream is a pretty slim pretext for leaving your home and country? In which direction did you flee? How could you build up a big caravan without being aprehended? How did you travel-on foot? How did you manage to survive with women and children in a terrible desert? How did you escape being killed off by raiders? What did you eat? Did you march continually? When you camped, what was the firs thing you did? What kind of altar? What sort of game did you hunt? Where? How? WHo did the hunting? Your son made a bow, you say; where in desolate Arabia could he find wood for that? What right had you to go around giving new names to places? Do you think any sane person would give a river and its valley different names? Whoever called the Red Sea a fountain? Don't you know there are no rivers in Arabia? Don't you think it rather silly to describe a valley as "firm and steadfast"? Aren't metal plates ratehr clumsy writing material to keep records on? Aren't Laban's fifty men a ridiculously small garrison for a city like Jerusalem? Are you trying to tell the court that you found a paradise on the southernmost rim of the most desolate land on earth?
These were the charges aimed at the Book of Mormon when it was published. No one had answers to these questions at the time, but an exhaustive study shows that each question's answer serves only to establish the account as 100% accurate-far beyond the capacities of even the most knowledgeable scholars from Joseph Smith's day to answer correctly.
Anyone feel any of these questions is especially important? Anyone think these concerns raise valid doubts? Anyone? Beuhler? Beuhler?
Your thoughts.
Much of the material presented by Dan in this thread is taken from a book entitled Lehi in the Desert. This book was written by Hugh Nibley, who is undisputably the most knowledgable LDS scholar who has ever lived. However, Dan's comments have been interspersed at random throughout the thread, and it is often difficult for the reader to be able to distinguish between his words and Nibley's. Because this is such an important topic to the Latter-day Saint posters on this forum, and deserves to be discussed, I am not deleting it at this time. It is important, however, that credit be given to the individual whose years of research is being presented here. If anyone has any comments or questions as to which words are Dan's and which are Hugh Nibley's, please contact me by PM. If it becomes necessary to delete this thread entirely, I will do so -- but only as a last resort.
Kathryn
Most members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have never been very much interested in "proving" the Book of Mormon; for us its divine provenance has always been an article of faith, and its historical aspects by far the least important thing about it. But the world insists that it is a gross and stupid forgery, a barefaced fraud perpetrated by an ignorant rustic who could hardly write his name. They have made the charge; let them prove it.
All sorts of questions were levelled at the Book of Mormon. Let us first examine the opening setting and the accusations hurled at it.
The Book of Mormon opens in Jerusalem roughly six hundred years before Christ. A wise patriarch by the name of Lehi leads his family away from home into the desert in search of the promised land. Those familiar with the text may recognize some of the concerns that follow. Picture Lehi on the witness stand as the prosecution begins its barrage:
What is your name? Don't you know there is no such name in Jewish antiquity? Where did you live at the time? What do you mean the "Land of Jerusalem"? Don't you mean the city? Where did you get this great wealth your sons speak of? How did you happen to learn Egyptian-wasn't it a waste of time? Why didn't you learn Babylonian, a language much nearer to your own? I have quite a list of names from your records-your purported family and descendants: Do you expect the court to believe these are genuine? If this is a genuine list, why does it contain no Baal names? You say you had dreams: about what? A river? What kind of river? What is this weird "mist of darkness"? Don't you think a dream is a pretty slim pretext for leaving your home and country? In which direction did you flee? How could you build up a big caravan without being aprehended? How did you travel-on foot? How did you manage to survive with women and children in a terrible desert? How did you escape being killed off by raiders? What did you eat? Did you march continually? When you camped, what was the firs thing you did? What kind of altar? What sort of game did you hunt? Where? How? WHo did the hunting? Your son made a bow, you say; where in desolate Arabia could he find wood for that? What right had you to go around giving new names to places? Do you think any sane person would give a river and its valley different names? Whoever called the Red Sea a fountain? Don't you know there are no rivers in Arabia? Don't you think it rather silly to describe a valley as "firm and steadfast"? Aren't metal plates ratehr clumsy writing material to keep records on? Aren't Laban's fifty men a ridiculously small garrison for a city like Jerusalem? Are you trying to tell the court that you found a paradise on the southernmost rim of the most desolate land on earth?
These were the charges aimed at the Book of Mormon when it was published. No one had answers to these questions at the time, but an exhaustive study shows that each question's answer serves only to establish the account as 100% accurate-far beyond the capacities of even the most knowledgeable scholars from Joseph Smith's day to answer correctly.
Anyone feel any of these questions is especially important? Anyone think these concerns raise valid doubts? Anyone? Beuhler? Beuhler?
Your thoughts.