Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Simple question: What are the practical benefits that come from leaving the European Union?
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Leaving the EU : Practical Benefits
- Thread starter Secret Chief
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Augustus
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Decentralisation and increased democratic accountability.
[Longer term hunch: A headstart before the rest of it collapses]
Europe =/= EU.
exchemist
Veteran Member
If the EU were to collapse, the UK would be severely affected and would get dragged in as history warns us from previous times of trouble on the Continent. The EU was created to stop that repeating itself. Leaving the EU does not insulate us, though it gives us less opportunity to prevent a collapse, certainly.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Blue Passport
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yeah, which we have never had before, and which we could have had, even within the EU, any time we wanted.
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
It's probably a necessary precondition to establish a Proletarian dictatorship.
A really cannot see any
And brexiters who say they can see benefits seem unable to be specific.
I'm not sure there are any positives - gave up long ago in being that interested - but being part of one of the largest trading blocs would seem to be better for us than being out on a limb and beholden to whoever can pay the least (and get the most from us). Not trading with our nearest neighbours on favourable terms as opposed to sourcing much of our needs from far away seems just as ludicrous. What happened to the concept of air (or sea) miles? We will lose out on scientific and technological cooperation and instead be reliant on other more powerful nations probably, if we don't go the more expensive route of doing it all for ourselves. 
I am Swiss, so I am not feeling any problems from not being part of the EU.
However, we accepted the free circulation of people and wares. Ergo, if someone left the EU with the hope to have control of who enters their country and who not, then they are deluding themselves, if they think they can still be prosperous.
Ciao
- viole
Practical benefit: Sovereignty
Altfish
Veteran Member
How will I reap the benefit of that.
What will I be able to do next year that I couldn't do as a member of the EU because of 'sovereignty'?
Btw....there are so many EU countries you could choose to move to instead. They say Bordeaux is a lovely city. Excellent wines.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Unable to answer the question??Btw....there are so many EU countries you could choose to move to instead. They say Bordeaux is a lovely city. Excellent wines.
Why is when you drill down into Brexiteer's claims they are inevitably meaningless
And in fact the real question is: what is the thing a British citizen is not allowed to do in the EU any more ...after Brexit?
And the answer is: Absolutely nothing.
He can do the exact same things as before.
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
- Travel without passport
- Import goods without customs restrictions
- Live and work in any EU country without restrictions
- Study in any EU country, and have their academic grades instantly recognized anywhere within the EU
That's completely wrong. Unless the UK negotiates far reaching privileges for its citizens, they will be treated like any other non-EU citizen without special status. Which means that they need to acquire permits to live, work or study in an EU country, and cannot travel within the EU without a passport.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Once again you fail to answer my question - instead you set me a question.
Well I'm not a Brexiteer so I'll answer...
1. Unfettered access to the largest trade block in the world
2. Free trade deals with countries around the world, including Japan, Canada and South Korea
3. Just-in-time manufacturing, the kind that supports millions of jobs in the automotive, aerospace and other industries
4. A wide-open border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, with no customs or other checks between NI and the rest of the UK
5. Support for the Good Friday Agreement & active promotion of the Irish peace process including PEACE funding (over EUR 1.5 billion to NI from 1995-2020)
6. The freedom for UK citizens to travel, work, study and retire anywhere in the EU
7. The freedom for EU citizens to travel, work, study and retire in the UK
8. Scientific and academic collaboration
9. Shared space exploration
10. Participation in Galileo GPS satellite cluster
11. Driving licenses valid all over the EU
12. Car insurance valid all over the EU
13. Pet passports that make travel with pets easy
14. Simple fixed compensation scheme for flight delays & cancellations thanks to EU Air Passenger Rights.
15. European Health Insurance Card (EHIC)
16. Mobile roaming (calls, texts and data) at home prices
17. Longest unbroken peace in Europe (outside civil wars) for over a thousand years
18. Portable streaming services (can watch Netflix etc. all over the EU)
19. Erasmus student exchange programme
20. Simplified VAT reverse charge mechanism for those selling across the EU
21. Enhanced consumer protection, including for cross-border shopping
22. Horizon 2020 (funding for over 10,000 research projects in the UK as part of world's largest multinational research programme.)
23. Training courses for the unemployed funded by the European Social Fund
24. Disaster relief funding e.g. the 60 million euro we received for flood relief in 2017
25. Free movement for musicians and their instruments, bands and their equipment, artists and their materials etc.
26. Enhanced environmental protections
27. Court of last resort (ECJ)
28. REACH regulations & EU Chemicals Agency, improving human, animal & environmental safety around chemicals
29. Safer medicines thanks to pan-EU testing regime
30. Security cooperation and sharing of crime/terrorist databases
31. Participation in the European arrest warrant programme
32. EURATOM for medical isotopes
33. Support for rural areas ignored by successive UK Governments
34. Better food labelling
35. EU funding for the British film industry, theatre and music
36. European Capital of Culture programme, which has boosted cities such as Glasgow and Liverpool
37. Service providers (e.g. freelance translators) can offer their services to clients all over the EU
38. No UK VAT or duty on imports from the EU (great for online shopping
39. EU citizenship (it's a real thing with real benefits - look it up!)
40. Cross-border collaboration on taxes, to hold huge firms like Amazon and Facebook to account more than we otherwise could.
41. Venture capital funding and start-up loans
42. Legal protection for minority languages such as Welsh
43. Mutual recognition of academic qualifications
44. Legal protection for foods of geographic origin, e.g. Melton Mowbray pork pies
45. No credit and debit card surcharges
46. EU structural funding (eg. £2 billion to Liverpool) with matched private funding requirement
47. Supporting and encouraging democracy in post-communist countries
48. A bigger, stronger presence on the world stage
49. Use of EU queues at ports and airports
50. Products made or grown in the UK can be sold in 31 countries without type approval, customs duties, phytosanitary certificates etc.
51. Protection from GM food and chlorinated chicken
52. Objective 1 funding for deprived areas and regions
53. Financial services passport, enabling firms in the City to service the whole EU market
54. Strong intellectual property protections
55. University education in other EU countries at "home student" rates (many still have free universities.)
56. Mutual recognition of professional qualifications
57. Consular protection from any EU embassy outside the EU
58. Baseline of worker protections (which we can also improve on)
59. Keep open the EU market to which we send more than half the fish we catch
60. Enhanced medical research prospects
61. A friend to cosy up to against the might of the USA and China
62. Seasonal workforce to pick our fruit and vegetables
63. A vital source of medicines (we import 37 million packs a month from the EU)
64. Minimum 2 year guarantee on all products
65. Protection against unfair treatment in the workplace thanks to the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights
66. Minimum of 4 weeks paid leave (introduced by EU in 1993, taken up by the UK in 1998 and later extended to 28 days in 2009)
67. More influence on environmental measures that transcend borders (we get to help shape the policies that 28 countries must follow)
68. A say in the running of the EU (if we were outside, the rest of the EU would carry on but we would have zero influence over its policies)
69. Cleaner air thanks to the EU Air Quality Directive
70. Legally enforced 14 day cooling off period on timeshare agreements
71. Some of the highest toy safety standards in the world
72. Protection of 500 bird species under legislation dating back to 1979, and amended in 2009
73. Safer food
74. Clean beaches
75. Pan-EU institutions (e.g. food, chemicals etc.) save money by doing away for the need for equivalent domestic institutions
I await your answer Estro .....