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Featured LDS Church Makes 'Surprise' Change on LGBT Issues

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by idea, Apr 4, 2019.

  1. idea

    idea Well-Known Member

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    Seems like they change with the times to follow just the thing you quoted in Luke. There's no reason to forgive or to hold responsible for the past when they've changed, right?
     
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    Big deal. It was probably hurting their bottom line by not letting them get the kids in.
     
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  4. Ellen Brown

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    It's back tracking on a policy that was new less than 5 years ago. Let the stone throwing begin.
     
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    dianaiad Well-Known Member

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    Try this one instead: Church to allow baptisms, blessings for children of LGBT parents, updates handbook regarding 'apostasy'

    The thing you posted was an obvious cut and paste thing cobbled together by some anti-mormon source.
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Woberts The Perfumed Seneschal

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    Eh, they're still pricks. A little less prickish, however.
     
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    If a religion changes its policies to be more loving and less hateful, then I applaud them. More should follow.
     
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  10. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    If religions, at least those ones that are presumed to be "revealed," change, it can clearly only mean that they have now denied previous revelation and are presumably relying on a new one.

    Pretty feeble for a God that doesn't change...
     
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    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Just as there's no reason to forgive human beings for behaving like human beings. They implemented a policy 3 1/2 years ago that turned out to not be such a good policy after all. Now they've changed it. All I can say is, "Yea!" I'm doing my happy dance. I'm also glad same-sex marriage is no longer going to be grounds for excommunication. This is truly a happy day for me.
     
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    God doesn't change, but His children do.
     
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    the very fact that religions claim to be based on revelation tells you that new revelation is perfectly OK.

    ........and it's not God Who changes. Humans do. Tell me: if a parent deals differently with his adult son than he did when that son was two years old, who changed: the parent--or the child?
     
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    oops. I said that before I read your post. You are considerably more succinct. (grin)
     
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    I love when religions can update with new knowledge.
     
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    Love everyone's comments - thanks for posting!!

    We were wrong about the LGBTQ family exclusion policy.
    We were wrong about the anti-Black priesthood and temple exclusion policy.
    We were wrong about Prop 8.
    We were wrong about ERA.
    We were wrong about polygamy.

    It’s human to get things wrong.
    Wrongs recognized as such are the medium of reconciliation and redemption.

    But wrongs attributed to the inerrant will of God deepen and perpetuate our alienation from God and each other.

    -Joanna Brooks

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    thus saith the Lord?....

    President Nelson Explains Origins of the Handbook Change

    For Seminary Students, Exclusion Policy is Model of Modern Revelation

    the church keeps claiming policy changes are "revelations" so....


    Good research uses more than one reference source...

    Either God changes, or the claimed revelations are bogus...
     
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    Yes it does. Good research also does not post the bogus source without referencing a good one. Good researchers do not post bogus sources and force their readers to find good ones on their own.



    I believe that more than one of us mentioned a third possibility; that God does not change, but people do. Your false dichotomy is, well....false.

    did you read my example of the parent and the child? A father treats his adult son very differently from the way he treated the same son when he was two. The father didn't change, but the child does.

    People change. Our societies do, our cultures do, our understanding and knowledge do...that God gives different or evolving revelations to one group than He does to another does not necessarily mean that HE changes.

    That we believe in modern and continuous revelation indicates, I believe, that we are aware that while God may not change, WE don't remain stagnant. His dealings with us will alter as our understanding does. If that were not so, we wouldn't have had any revelation from Him after Moses, now, would we? Shoot, we wouldn't have heard from Him about anything after Abraham...or perhaps Adam. But God does NOT change, and He has dealt with us precisely the same way as He has from the beginning; with revelation to prophets.

    He does not demand that prophets be perfect, or perfect of understanding. God is perfect. We are not.
     
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    I've masticated on my differences with the LDS General Authority until It wore me out. They are smart and clever and the depth of their excrement finally went over my barn boots. I don't ever expect them to make any overtures to reconcile.
     
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    Socially, good for them. Spiritually, I have to question the bonafides of an organised religion that changes it's teachings according to social trends.
     
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